Hi all, Since Stephane Richard has done a great work on the article sofar, i was wondering whom of us will be able to attend amigbg? Also, who is able to be there AND give a presentation? Come on now, don't be shy.... PS: I'll be most likely be attending & doing the same ---- Amon_Re Ochal Christophe Webmaster for: http://www.kefren.be http://www.metalfest.be http://amigadev.amigaworld.net
When does it occur? and where? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ochal Christophe" <ochal@kefren.be> To: "Effort to port OpenOffice.org to AmigaOS4" <openoffice-os4@samfundet.no> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:13 AM Subject: [OO.org-OS4] AmiGBG
Hi all,
Since Stephane Richard has done a great work on the article sofar, i was wondering whom of us will be able to attend amigbg? Also, who is able to be there AND give a presentation?
Come on now, don't be shy....
PS: I'll be most likely be attending & doing the same
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I'd like to tell you, but i can't read their site :P http://www.amigbg.com Cheerios! Op 9-jun-05, om 17:15 heeft stephane richard het volgende geschreven:
When does it occur? and where?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ochal Christophe" <ochal@kefren.be> To: "Effort to port OpenOffice.org to AmigaOS4" <openoffice- os4@samfundet.no> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:13 AM Subject: [OO.org-OS4] AmiGBG
Hi all,
Since Stephane Richard has done a great work on the article sofar, i was wondering whom of us will be able to attend amigbg? Also, who is able to be there AND give a presentation?
Come on now, don't be shy....
PS: I'll be most likely be attending & doing the same
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I'd like to tell you, but i can't read their site :P
Cheerios!
* Points to the Union Jack flag at the top right of the website....click that...see what happens....swedish looks much clearer after you click that flag :-p
Ochal Christophe skrev:
Hi all,
Since Stephane Richard has done a great work on the article sofar, i was wondering whom of us will be able to attend amigbg?
I am going to be there...
Also, who is able to be there AND give a presentation?
I would prefer not to take that task
Come on now, don't be shy....
PS: I'll be most likely be attending & doing the same
---- Amon_Re Ochal Christophe Webmaster for: http://www.kefren.be http://www.metalfest.be http://amigadev.amigaworld.net
-- Best regards, hnl_dk - Henning Nielsen Lund
Op 9-jun-05, om 17:27 heeft Henning Nielsen Lund het volgende geschreven:
Ochal Christophe skrev:
Hi all,
Since Stephane Richard has done a great work on the article sofar, i was wondering whom of us will be able to attend amigbg?
I am going to be there...
Take pictures!
Also, who is able to be there AND give a presentation?
I would prefer not to take that task
Ah spoilsport :P
Ochal Christophe skrev:
Op 9-jun-05, om 17:27 heeft Henning Nielsen Lund het volgende geschreven:
Ochal Christophe skrev:
Hi all,
Since Stephane Richard has done a great work on the article sofar, i was wondering whom of us will be able to attend amigbg?
I am going to be there...
Take pictures!
I am going to :-D
Also, who is able to be there AND give a presentation?
I would prefer not to take that task
Ah spoilsport :P
We are at the moment trying to find a house we can buy, so I am very bussy... and I should, at the time of AmiGBG, be working on our new house.
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-- Best regards, hnl_dk - Henning Nielsen Lund
Hello Henning
We are at the moment trying to find a house we can buy, so I am very bussy... and I should, at the time of AmiGBG, be working on our new house.
Good luck with the househunt ;) Regards -- It is better to have tried and failed than to have failed to try, but the result's the same. -- Mike Dennison Amon_Re Christophe Ochal Hoge Buizemont 168 9500 Geraardsbergen, Belgium Mobile: 0032 (0)479/46 45 74 http://www.kefren.be http://www.metalfest.be
Christophe Ochal skrev:
Hello Henning
We are at the moment trying to find a house we can buy, so I am very bussy... and I should, at the time of AmiGBG, be working on our new house.
Good luck with the househunt ;)
thanks, we are going to have a look at two houses this sunday (190 km away) :-)
Regards
-- Best regards, hnl_dk - Henning Nielsen Lund
Hi everyone, A quick note to let you know a 3rd draft has been created to reflect the suggestions brought by Mr. Robert Williams. Everything has been added except how to join the list. Once I get the additional data from Chris, I'll probably add that "how to join" section then as I'll need content fo fill the 2nd page :-). you can read the third draft here: http://www.adaworld.com/AmiGBGArticleThirdDraft.pdf Stéphane Richard
Hello stephane Could you also include the following bit of data somewhere? "Open Office sources are huge, 70.696 files in 11.924 directories taking up a whopping 693MB of space at last count, and these numbers are rising all the time." Gives some scope to the whole thing ;) On 10/06/2005, you wrote:
Hi everyone,
A quick note to let you know a 3rd draft has been created to reflect the suggestions brought by Mr. Robert Williams.
Everything has been added except how to join the list. Once I get the additional data from Chris, I'll probably add that "how to join" section then as I'll need content fo fill the 2nd page :-).
you can read the third draft here: http://www.adaworld.com/AmiGBGArticleThirdDraft.pdf
Stéphane Richard
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Regards -- I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter. -- Blaise Pascal Amon_Re Christophe Ochal Hoge Buizemont 168 9500 Geraardsbergen, Belgium Mobile: 0032 (0)479/46 45 74 http://www.kefren.be http://www.metalfest.be
Hello Christophe Another (minor?) thing is that we need a higher resolution of the logo that David Doyle made iirc. On 18/06/2005, you wrote:
Hello stephane
Could you also include the following bit of data somewhere?
"Open Office sources are huge, 70.696 files in 11.924 directories taking up a whopping 693MB of space at last count, and these numbers are rising all the time."
Gives some scope to the whole thing ;)
On 10/06/2005, you wrote:
Hi everyone,
A quick note to let you know a 3rd draft has been created to reflect the suggestions brought by Mr. Robert Williams.
Everything has been added except how to join the list. Once I get the additional data from Chris, I'll probably add that "how to join" section then as I'll need content fo fill the 2nd page :-).
you can read the third draft here: http://www.adaworld.com/AmiGBGArticleThirdDraft.pdf
Stéphane Richard
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Regards
Regards -- I think that God in creating man somewhat overestimated his ability. -- Oscar Wilde Amon_Re Christophe Ochal Hoge Buizemont 168 9500 Geraardsbergen, Belgium Mobile: 0032 (0)479/46 45 74 http://www.kefren.be http://www.metalfest.be
Just at post to notify that I'm still here (PR/ testing/ translation). Been away to Vienna for work the past few weeks, and that won't change for the coming month. Basically I'm only at home for the weekends. While I'm away I don't have access to the list (get enough mails at work already ;-) ) Regards, Peter aka RinceWynd -----Original Message----- From: openoffice-os4-bounces@samfundet.no [mailto:openoffice-os4-bounces@samfundet.no] On Behalf Of Christophe Ochal Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 3:54 PM To: openoffice-os4@samfundet.no Subject: [OO.org-OS4] Re: Third draft of the article Hello stephane Could you also include the following bit of data somewhere? "Open Office sources are huge, 70.696 files in 11.924 directories taking up a whopping 693MB of space at last count, and these numbers are rising all the time." Gives some scope to the whole thing ;) On 10/06/2005, you wrote:
Hi everyone,
A quick note to let you know a 3rd draft has been created to reflect the suggestions brought by Mr. Robert Williams.
Everything has been added except how to join the list. Once I get the additional data from Chris, I'll probably add that "how to join" section then as I'll need content fo fill the 2nd page :-).
you can read the third draft here: http://www.adaworld.com/AmiGBGArticleThirdDraft.pdf
Stéphane Richard
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Regards -- I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter. -- Blaise Pascal Amon_Re Christophe Ochal Hoge Buizemont 168 9500 Geraardsbergen, Belgium Mobile: 0032 (0)479/46 45 74 http://www.kefren.be http://www.metalfest.be _______________________________________________ Openoffice-os4 mailing list Openoffice-os4@samfundet.no https://lists.samfundet.no/mailman/listinfo/openoffice-os4
The addition is noted...I'll just wait to get the rest of the material so I can format the 2nd page of the the whole thing. :-). Stephane Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christophe Ochal" <ochal@kefren.be> To: <openoffice-os4@samfundet.no> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 9:54 AM Subject: [OO.org-OS4] Re: Third draft of the article
Hello stephane
Could you also include the following bit of data somewhere?
"Open Office sources are huge, 70.696 files in 11.924 directories taking up a whopping 693MB of space at last count, and these numbers are rising all the time."
Gives some scope to the whole thing ;)
On 10/06/2005, you wrote:
Hi everyone,
A quick note to let you know a 3rd draft has been created to reflect the suggestions brought by Mr. Robert Williams.
Everything has been added except how to join the list. Once I get the additional data from Chris, I'll probably add that "how to join" section then as I'll need content fo fill the 2nd page :-).
you can read the third draft here: http://www.adaworld.com/AmiGBGArticleThirdDraft.pdf
Stéphane Richard
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Regards -- I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter. -- Blaise Pascal
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Ochal Christophe wrote:
Hi all,
Since Stephane Richard has done a great work on the article sofar, i was wondering whom of us will be able to attend amigbg? Also, who is able to be there AND give a presentation?
Come on now, don't be shy....
PS: I'll be most likely be attending & doing the same
I'll be there, on the way back from my long journey. I'm gonna have to put up a website about my vacations soon, so I have something to point at ;-) I will definetly not be in any shape to make a public appearance, after thousands of kilometers on a bike in three weeks (1.5 is a multiple, right? :-P ). If I have money and time in my budget I might go shopping for some clothes the day before the event, in which case I'll be glad to help promote the project. I've had my share of publicity, though. It didn't leave me wanting more. If someone else could be the front figure for this one, I would be happy. I'm a big dude, so forcing flyers on people and scaring them into coming to our table (do we have one?) would be a logical task. -- We'll double-cross that bridge when we get there.
Op 10-jun-05, om 08:19 heeft Ole-Egil Hvitmyren het volgende geschreven:
Ochal Christophe wrote:
Hi all, Since Stephane Richard has done a great work on the article sofar, i was wondering whom of us will be able to attend amigbg? Also, who is able to be there AND give a presentation? Come on now, don't be shy.... PS: I'll be most likely be attending & doing the same
Just noticed it said i'd be attenting, when i meant i'd be attending boinged in Belgium :P
Ochal Christophe wrote:
Op 10-jun-05, om 08:19 heeft Ole-Egil Hvitmyren het volgende geschreven:
Ochal Christophe wrote:
Hi all, Since Stephane Richard has done a great work on the article sofar, i was wondering whom of us will be able to attend amigbg? Also, who is able to be there AND give a presentation? Come on now, don't be shy.... PS: I'll be most likely be attending & doing the same
Just noticed it said i'd be attenting, when i meant i'd be attending boinged in Belgium :P
I figured as much since you don't even know WHEN AmiGBG is happening :-P Still, I'm going, if there are NO other options I'll just have to take an extra shower, shave and go shopping for something to wear that hasn't just been through hell (I mean Skåne) and back. -- We'll double-cross that bridge when we get there.
Le 10/06/2005, Ochal Christophe a écrit :
Op 10-jun-05, om 08:19 heeft Ole-Egil Hvitmyren het volgende geschreven:
Ochal Christophe wrote:
Hi all, Since Stephane Richard has done a great work on the article sofar, i was wondering whom of us will be able to attend amigbg? Also, who is able to be there AND give a presentation? Come on now, don't be shy.... PS: I'll be most likely be attending & doing the same
Just noticed it said i'd be attenting, when i meant i'd be attending boinged in Belgium :P
Oh good, that makes two of us. It occurs to me, as I struggle to set up my brand-new Canon Pixma MP780 (how can anyone collect so many non-working telephone cables?) that if we're going to have a decent office suite on the Amiga we're logically also in need of a decent selection of up-to-date printer drivers . Is anyone aware of any such project, even if it's only porting the linux drivers? There's rumours about Turboprint, but no actual announcements... -- Rose Humphrey /anarchic_teapot
Hi, Rose Humphrey wrote:
Just noticed it said i'd be attenting, when i meant i'd be attending boinged in Belgium :P
Oh good, that makes two of us.
Four. Hans-Jörg and me will also come... it's practically around the corner :) Regards, -- Thomas Frieden <ThomasF@hyperion-entertainment.biz> Hyperion Entertainment - Naur dan i-deryg lhuin
On Mar 14 juin 2005 21:54, Thomas Frieden a écrit :
Hi,
Rose Humphrey wrote:
Just noticed it said i'd be attenting, when i meant i'd be attending boinged in Belgium :P
Oh good, that makes two of us.
Four. Hans-Jörg and me will also come... it's practically around the corner :)
Fine. Bring your dice ! -- Rose Humphrey Amont Informatique France
Op 14-jun-05, om 21:54 heeft Thomas Frieden het volgende geschreven:
Hi,
Rose Humphrey wrote:
Just noticed it said i'd be attenting, when i meant i'd be attending boinged in Belgium :P
Oh good, that makes two of us.
Four. Hans-Jörg and me will also come... it's practically around the corner :)
I'll bring the booze :D Is Timothy coming too? The bugger's been silent lately
Hi, Ochal Christophe wrote:
Four. Hans-Jörg and me will also come... it's practically around the corner :)
I'll bring the booze :D Is Timothy coming too? The bugger's been silent lately
He's coming, as far as I know... Hehe, Timothy is silent ? Lucky you ;) Regards, -- Thomas Frieden <ThomasF@hyperion-entertainment.biz> Hyperion Entertainment - Naur dan i-deryg lhuin
On Mer 15 juin 2005 14:43, Ochal Christophe a écrit :
I'll bring the booze :D Is Timothy coming too? The bugger's been silent lately
Probably because I'm trying to pry merchandise out of him ;) I have to admit the CUPS system was at the back of my mind when I mentioned printing on *this* specific list... -- Rose Humphrey Amont Informatique France
Op 15-jun-05, om 15:47 heeft Rose Humphrey het volgende geschreven:
On Mer 15 juin 2005 14:43, Ochal Christophe a écrit :
I'll bring the booze :D Is Timothy coming too? The bugger's been silent lately
Probably because I'm trying to pry merchandise out of him ;)
Hey, he's supposed to sell me some too! I was first! :P
I have to admit the CUPS system was at the back of my mind when I mentioned printing on *this* specific list...
CUPS has been in the back of my head for years now, mostly because of the Apple backing/intrest in it
Hi Rose, On 15/06/2005, you wrote:
It occurs to me, as I struggle to set up my brand-new Canon Pixma MP780 (how can anyone collect so many non-working telephone cables?) that if we're going to have a decent office suite on the Amiga we're logically also in need of a decent selection of up-to-date printer drivers . Is anyone aware of any such project, even if it's only porting the linux drivers? There's rumours about Turboprint, but no actual announcements...
Unofficially, there are issues with parallel printing. Some can make it work from applications, but I've had no such luck. There is a setup problem with the parallel port but it only affects some printers and cables (most, I think). If you are lucky with your choices, it will work. OTOH, Turboprint works well with a USB printer. It has drivers for many printers and the newly released Update 3 for OS4 includes the highly esteemed USBprinter.device. I have heard some say that Turboprint works with parallel printers, too. Not my experience, but then, I always was a bit strange. cheers
Hi tony On 15/06/2005, you wrote:
It occurs to me, as I struggle to set up my brand-new Canon Pixma MP780 (how can anyone collect so many non-working telephone cables?) that if we're going to have a decent office suite on the Amiga we're logically also in need of a decent selection of up-to-date printer drivers . Is anyone aware of any such project, even if it's only porting the linux drivers? There's rumours about Turboprint, but no actual announcements...
Unofficially, there are issues with parallel printing. Some can make it work from applications, but I've had no such luck. There is a setup problem with the parallel port but it only affects some printers and cables (most, I think). If you are lucky with your choices, it will work.
Both my Epson Sylus Photo 790 and Canon i560 worked well with A1/OS4/Turboprint combination connected via the parallel port.
OTOH, Turboprint works well with a USB printer. It has drivers for many printers and the newly released Update 3 for OS4 includes the highly esteemed USBprinter.device.
Have been running with the USB printer connection for a couple of months now (I'm a beta tester) and it worked well from the very off ;-) Now I feel that parallel port conection is a thing of the past :-)
I have heard some say that Turboprint works with parallel printers, too. Not my experience, but then, I always was a bit strange.
Yes it works fine with parallel port connected printers, using Turboprint 7.60 here. Regards Mick -- <tsb>Mick Sutton <tsb>Chairman of SEAL <tsb>South Essex Amiga Link <tsb>http://www.seal-amiga.co.uk <tsb>Using AmigaOne-XE G4 & Amiga OS4
Both my Epson Sylus Photo 790 and Canon i560 worked well with A1/OS4/Turboprint combination connected via the parallel port.
OTOH, Turboprint works well with a USB printer. It has drivers for many printers and the newly released Update 3 for OS4 includes the highly esteemed USBprinter.device.
Have been running with the USB printer connection for a couple of months now (I'm a beta tester) and it worked well from the very off ;-) Now I feel that parallel port conection is a thing of the past :-)
I have heard some say that Turboprint works with parallel printers, too. Not my experience, but then, I always was a bit strange.
I guess now's a good time to ask where I can find some hard specs on the AmigaOne? Since I dont' have one at home (yet) I'd l like to know the real high tec stuff about it. including cpu instruction sets and the likes. As well as same level specs for the OS 4. URLs and PDF or other files would be much appreciated :-). Thanks
On Mer 15 juin 2005 12:03, stephane richard a écrit :
I guess now's a good time to ask where I can find some hard specs on the AmigaOne? Since I dont' have one at home (yet) I'd l like to know the real high tec stuff about it. including cpu instruction sets and the likes. As well as same level specs for the OS 4.
URLs and PDF or other files would be much appreciated :-).
µA1-C http://www.intuitionbase.com/static.php?section=ma1c-specs A1XE http://www.intuitionbase.com/static.php?section=xeover For CPU instruction sets, I suggest you look up the appropriate doc on IBM and Freescale's websites. Depending on where you are in France, there should be a party somehere near you during the year where you can admire the beast at work with the lastest, fastest update. Have I mentioned that Update 3 is the bee's knees, the dog's cojones, and just like Mother makes? -- Rose Humphrey Amont Informatique France
lol I'm in upstate NY, nowhere near France....lol But I know my name may suggest otherwise ;-). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Humphrey" <aos4@amont-info.com> To: "Effort to port OpenOffice.org to AmigaOS4" <openoffice-os4@samfundet.no> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [OO.org-OS4] Re: Printer considerations, was AmiGBG
On Mer 15 juin 2005 12:03, stephane richard a écrit :
I guess now's a good time to ask where I can find some hard specs on the AmigaOne? Since I dont' have one at home (yet) I'd l like to know the real high tec stuff about it. including cpu instruction sets and the likes. As well as same level specs for the OS 4.
URLs and PDF or other files would be much appreciated :-).
µA1-C http://www.intuitionbase.com/static.php?section=ma1c-specs
A1XE http://www.intuitionbase.com/static.php?section=xeover
For CPU instruction sets, I suggest you look up the appropriate doc on IBM and Freescale's websites.
Depending on where you are in France, there should be a party somehere near you during the year where you can admire the beast at work with the lastest, fastest update. Have I mentioned that Update 3 is the bee's knees, the dog's cojones, and just like Mother makes?
-- Rose Humphrey Amont Informatique France
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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:15:11 -0400, stephane richard <srichard@adaworld.com> wrote:
lol I'm in upstate NY, nowhere near France....lol But I know my name may suggest otherwise ;-).
I suppose Quebec doesn't count. It's kinda French... Besides, your downstate. At least from me. Have to wait til the next Ottawa show. -- Chris Fraser ICQ:13329852 argo@twcny.rr.com
Kinda french? Quebec? Go ahead and go to France and ask them that question ;-). We even have our own Dictionnary hehe...ok so some words might look the same....But I always if I wanna look intelligent, I speak english ;-). because Quebec french makes me sound like something all of you stepped on to kill at some point in your lives. ;-). However I didn't learn Quebec french. Minus the accent my french is closer to France than Quebec. Probably not 100% though ;-). Stephane Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Fraser" <argo@twcny.rr.com> To: "Effort to port OpenOffice.org to AmigaOS4" <openoffice-os4@samfundet.no> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [OO.org-OS4] Re: Printer considerations, was AmiGBG
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:15:11 -0400, stephane richard <srichard@adaworld.com> wrote:
lol I'm in upstate NY, nowhere near France....lol But I know my name may suggest otherwise ;-).
I suppose Quebec doesn't count. It's kinda French... Besides, your downstate. At least from me. Have to wait til the next Ottawa show.
-- Chris Fraser ICQ:13329852 argo@twcny.rr.com
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Hi, stephane richard wrote:
Kinda french? Quebec? Go ahead and go to France and ask them that question ;-).
Hehe, the same people would probably tell you that Americans speak English ;) Regards, -- Thomas Frieden <ThomasF@hyperion-entertainment.biz> Hyperion Entertainment - Naur dan i-deryg lhuin
On Jeu 16 juin 2005 1:56, stephane richard a écrit :
Kinda french? Quebec? Go ahead and go to France and ask them that question ;-).
They talk kinda quaint and have a weird accent, but they speak French. One up on the usual attitude betweens Brits and Yanks (we're talking the unwashed masses here). Also they make good beer, which is more than the French and Americans can do. Belgians present can take that smug look off their faces and I'll have a Leffe, une fois. OK, the Québecois *are* repsonible for global catastrophes like Céline Dion, but then they also gave rise to the extremely talented and funny François Perusse. Oddly enough, the French-speaking community - despite the natural spikiness of the average Gaul - sticks together better than the Amigan in many ways. Anyway, to get back to computer CUPS (rather than a foaming glass of brew), a bit of research last night convinced me that CUPS, gimp print and/or Foomatic are all of great interest, but the best system for printing that also provides many drivers not available - or easily identifiable - elsewhere is Turboprint. I also came across a fairly detailed explanation by a professional printer driver writer explaining the problems in writing drivers other than for Windows: basically, a lot of the processing is done by the OS rather than the printer, as this makes for faster printing and cheaper printers. However, this also means that the printer driver as supplied by the manufacturer has to rely on API "hooks" in Windows. What was not adressed, as one person pointed out in comments, was the existence of a similar system to the Windows API in CUPS. However, it does seem as though the difficulty in getting drivers for anything other than Windows is partly due to the difficulty of writing printer drivers, ignorance of the existence/usage of tools equivalent to the Windows API in other systems (MacOSX Darwin, anybody?), and an understandable refusal to release technical information which comes under company IP. Even the Microsoft service that exists only to ensure that printers work with Windows doesn't get that information. While I'm still all for CUPS, this does give food for thought. -- Rose Humphrey Amont Informatique France
Op 16-jun-05, om 09:19 heeft Rose Humphrey het volgende geschreven:
On Jeu 16 juin 2005 1:56, stephane richard a écrit :
Kinda french? Quebec? Go ahead and go to France and ask them that question ;-).
They talk kinda quaint and have a weird accent, but they speak French. One up on the usual attitude betweens Brits and Yanks (we're talking the unwashed masses here). Also they make good beer, which is more than the French and Americans can do. Belgians present can take that smug look off their faces and I'll have a Leffe, une fois.
Err, We don't have a smug look at all, and yes, our beers are the best in the world :D <snip>
Anyway, to get back to computer CUPS (rather than a foaming glass of brew), a bit of research last night convinced me that CUPS, gimp print and/or Foomatic are all of great interest, but the best system for printing that also provides many drivers not available - or easily identifiable - elsewhere is Turboprint.
I'm not so sure about Turboprint being the best thing, when it comes to flexibility, did you check out http://www.linuxprinting.org ? There is more then just gimp print & foomatic, there's also hpijs and several other additional drivers that work with the cups framework, not to mention ghostscript.
I also came across a fairly detailed explanation by a professional printer driver writer explaining the problems in writing drivers other than for Windows: basically, a lot of the processing is done by the OS rather than the printer, as this makes for faster printing and cheaper printers. However, this also means that the printer driver as supplied by the manufacturer has to rely on API "hooks" in Windows.
The same applies to eg turboprint drivers (they rely on the turboprint API) and printing in general on the Amiga, you can find out more about the standard AOS api's in the "devices" part of the includes & autodocs
What was not adressed, as one person pointed out in comments, was the existence of a similar system to the Windows API in CUPS. However, it does seem as though the difficulty in getting drivers for anything other than Windows is partly due to the difficulty of writing printer drivers, ignorance of the existence/usage of tools equivalent to the Windows API in other systems (MacOSX Darwin, anybody?), and an understandable refusal to release technical information which comes under company IP. Even the Microsoft service that exists only to ensure that printers work with Windows doesn't get that information.
Actually, most drivers use a specific language (postscript, brscript (brother's variant) esc/2, PCL.... these are reasonable well documented, what usually is the hard part are the extras some printers have, like the HP PSC's with their combined scanner & fax ability.
While I'm still all for CUPS, this does give food for thought.
CUPS has the advantage of being maintained on multiple platforms, bringing in more developers that can write drivers, HP for instance, actively works on it's Open Source drivers for CUPS. Turboprint is offcourse also intresting, and i don't see why CUPS would exclude Turboprint & vice versa. One could write a postscript device that does nothing but pass the ps data to CUPS for proccessing/printing, making it work transparently with just about every application capable of using postscript drivers, the same goes for the standard printer.device, instead of having it rasterize to a driver & outputting to the printer directly, you could have it rasterize to a TIFF or simular file & let CUPS handle printing it. ---- Amon_Re Ochal Christophe Webmaster for: http://www.kefren.be http://www.metalfest.be http://amigadev.amigaworld.net
Hi Rose, On 16/06/2005, you wrote:
They talk kinda quaint and have a weird accent, but they speak French. Now that IS debatable.
We have a TV network here funded by the Government, that shows programmes from overseas with English subtitles (locally generated). Having been quite proficient at /le français/ many years ago, I enjoy French movies so that I can "keep my ear in". But the other night there was a Quebec movie which was, to say the least, impossible to follow. Their "French" was a mixture of French, English, Basque and Klingon. Not being a Klingon speaker, I found it impossible. cheers
On 2005-06-16, tonyw wrote: <SNIP>
Basque and Klingon. Not being a Klingon speaker, I found it impossible.
bIjatlh 'e' yImev. yItlhutlh! Qapla'! -Peter aka. Archprogrammer Reality is for people who cannot face ScienceFiction. Only lefthanded people are in their right minds.
On Jeu 16 juin 2005 11:49, Peter Bengtsson a écrit :
On 2005-06-16, tonyw wrote:
<SNIP>
Basque and Klingon. Not being a Klingon speaker, I found it impossible.
bIjatlh 'e' yImev. yItlhutlh!
Qapla'!
F'thagn to you with knobs on. -- Rozathoth
Hi, Rose Humphrey wrote:
Anyway, to get back to computer CUPS (rather than a foaming glass of brew), a bit of research last night convinced me that CUPS, gimp print and/or Foomatic are all of great interest, but the best system for printing that also provides many drivers not available - or easily identifiable - elsewhere is Turboprint.
I'm not so convined about that. For one, TurboPrint is not openly available, and to the best of my knowledge, it hits the exec memory lists directly. Exec memory lists are evil and must be destroyed. The memory system I'm working on right now doesn't use them anymore (and as a result, it's doing constant time memory allocation in the average case, and is practically fragmentation free). Besides, I'm not really content with the printing system as it is now. Basically, we have in AmigaOS a separation between screen graphics and printer graphics. This is artifiical, and should be avoided. For the future, we're looking into alternatives.
While I'm still all for CUPS, this does give food for thought.
You won't find many alternatives to CUPS, sadly. Regards, -- Thomas Frieden <ThomasF@hyperion-entertainment.biz> Hyperion Entertainment - Naur dan i-deryg lhuin
Hello Rose, On 16/062005, you wrote:
Anyway, to get back to computer CUPS (rather than a foaming glass of brew), a bit of research last night convinced me that CUPS, gimp print and/or Foomatic are all of great interest, but the best system for printing that also provides many drivers not available - or easily identifiable - elsewhere is Turboprint.
I also came across a fairly detailed explanation by a professional printer driver writer explaining the problems in writing drivers other than for Windows: basically, a lot of the processing is done by the OS rather than the printer, as this makes for faster printing and cheaper printers. However, this also means that the printer driver as supplied by the manufacturer has to rely on API "hooks" in Windows.
While this is to some extent true, its mainly only those printers labelled as Windows printers, generally cheap inkjets (and now some cheap lasers as well), by paying a bit more you can get printers that use standard print languages (postscript, HPL, ESC/2 etc), as far as Im concerned something similar to the Unix way of working would be a good stop gap (and is the way CUPS works really), which is to standardise on (say) postscript output and then the print system converts that to the specific driver for your printer (ghostscript does this already as does CUPS I believe). Of course it does all depend how long this is going to take (the porting of OpenOffice.org that is), if it takes us a couple of years, the over productive Frieden's (and the rest of the OS4 team) may well be on OS4.2 with an all new printing system, so I say wait on this bit for now, unless we are being asked to port something because there is nothing in the pipeline. CUPS itself really isnt much more that a management system for the drivers and printers (from postscript to whatever driver you have requested) (as far as I can tell of course). We do need something like it, that allows an interface to set-up various parallel/USB/network printers with ease, but Im not sure that CUPS itself is the best idea (although maybe something that could use the various CUPS/ghostscript drivers would be good, as this is the difficult bit. IMHO)
What was not adressed, as one person pointed out in comments, was the existence of a similar system to the Windows API in CUPS. However, it does seem as though the difficulty in getting drivers for anything other than Windows is partly due to the difficulty of writing printer drivers, ignorance of the existence/usage of tools equivalent to the Windows API in other systems (MacOSX Darwin, anybody?), and an understandable refusal to release technical information which comes under company IP. Even the Microsoft service that exists only to ensure that printers work with Windows doesn't get that information.
While I'm still all for CUPS, this does give food for thought.
Printing has been in my mind for a while as well, what with the generally fairly poor state of Amiga OS printing, anything has to be an improvement really. Regards Mark
Hi, Mark Bond wrote:
While this is to some extent true, its mainly only those printers labelled as Windows printers, generally cheap inkjets (and now some cheap lasers as well), by paying a bit more you can get printers that use standard print languages (postscript, HPL, ESC/2 etc), as far as Im concerned something similar to the Unix way of working would be a good stop gap (and is the way CUPS works really), which is to standardise on (say) postscript output and then the print system converts that to the specific driver for your printer (ghostscript does this already as does CUPS I believe).
Another thing (which we are actually actively looking into) is to standarize the actual screen and printer graphics. Currently, printing works completely different from screen graphics on AmigaOS, which isn't a good idea. What we are looking into is Cario (www.cairographics.org), which is a 2D vector graphics API that does support exactly this (device independant graphics). It already has backends for PostScript and PDF, so it's a good choice. Plus, it's possible to hardware accelerate it's screen drawing functionality through OpenGL, since it's based on an XRender like compositing engine. This makes it quite interesting.
Printing has been in my mind for a while as well, what with the generally fairly poor state of Amiga OS printing, anything has to be an improvement really.
Indeed. A complete overhaul of the printing system is planned for 4.1 Regards, -- Thomas Frieden <ThomasF@hyperion-entertainment.biz> Hyperion Entertainment - Naur dan i-deryg lhuin
On Jeu 16 juin 2005 13:05, Thomas Frieden a écrit :
A complete overhaul of the printing system is planned for 4.1
It's not nice to tease. (I've suffered with dodgy Amiga printing since 1986) -- Rose Humphrey Amont Informatique France
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:26:03 -0400, Rose Humphrey <aos4@amont-info.com> wrote:
On Jeu 16 juin 2005 13:05, Thomas Frieden a écrit :
A complete overhaul of the printing system is planned for 4.1
It's not nice to tease.
(I've suffered with dodgy Amiga printing since 1986)
I've never had a problem with any of the Canon printers I've had on my Amigas. Though being able to us almost all or a large selection of available printers would be welcomed. -- Chris Fraser ICQ:13329852 argo@twcny.rr.com
Hi Chris, I tried adding you to my ICQ list and it tells me you don't have ICQ yet? that your number could not be found ;-). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Fraser" <argo@twcny.rr.com> To: "Effort to port OpenOffice.org to AmigaOS4" <openoffice-os4@samfundet.no> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [OO.org-OS4] Re: Printer considerations, was AmiGBG
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:26:03 -0400, Rose Humphrey <aos4@amont-info.com> wrote:
On Jeu 16 juin 2005 13:05, Thomas Frieden a écrit :
A complete overhaul of the printing system is planned for 4.1
It's not nice to tease.
(I've suffered with dodgy Amiga printing since 1986)
I've never had a problem with any of the Canon printers I've had on my Amigas. Though being able to us almost all or a large selection of available printers would be welcomed.
-- Chris Fraser ICQ:13329852 argo@twcny.rr.com
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On Ven 17 juin 2005 1:11, stephane richard a écrit :
Hi Chris, I tried adding you to my ICQ list and it tells me you don't have ICQ yet? that your number could not be found ;-).
Would you two switch this to private email please? -- Rose Humphrey Amont Informatique France
On 6/16/05, Thomas Frieden <ThomasF@hyperion-entertainment.biz> wrote:
What we are looking into is Cario (www.cairographics.org), which is a 2D vector graphics API that does support exactly this (device independant graphics). It already has backends for PostScript and PDF, so it's a good choice. Plus, it's possible to hardware accelerate it's screen drawing functionality through OpenGL, since it's based on an XRender like compositing engine. This makes it quite interesting.
Ooh! Ooh! This is the one they're basing the next version of Gnome on isn't it? Mozilla are also moving in that direction. JFDI[1] I say :) Olly. [1] I'll give you a clue: It's Nike's slogan with the F from RTFM chucked in :)
Hi, Olly Hodgson wrote:
What we are looking into is Cario (www.cairographics.org), which is a 2D vector graphics API that does support exactly this (device independant graphics). It already has backends for PostScript and PDF, so it's a good choice. Plus, it's possible to hardware accelerate it's screen drawing functionality through OpenGL, since it's based on an XRender like compositing engine. This makes it quite interesting.
Ooh! Ooh! This is the one they're basing the next version of Gnome on isn't it?
Dunno about Gnome, but it's handled as the Next-Best-Thing(tm)
Mozilla are also moving in that direction.
Yeah, I saw a comment somewhere that somebody actually made a GFX layer for Mozilla based on it. To be honest, it would probably also be a good candidate for OOo.
JFDI[1] I say :)
_J_ou _F_rigging _D_umb _I_diot ? (SCNR) ;) Regards, -- Thomas Frieden <ThomasF@hyperion-entertainment.biz> Hyperion Entertainment - Naur dan i-deryg lhuin
LOL well I'd say it means Just Freakin Do It !! ok what do I win? LOL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olly Hodgson" <oliver.hodgson@gmail.com> To: <ThomasF@hyperion-entertainment.biz>; "Effort to port OpenOffice.org to AmigaOS4" <openoffice-os4@samfundet.no> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [OO.org-OS4] Re: Printer considerations, was AmiGBG
On 6/16/05, Thomas Frieden <ThomasF@hyperion-entertainment.biz> wrote:
What we are looking into is Cario (www.cairographics.org), which is a 2D vector graphics API that does support exactly this (device independant graphics). It already has backends for PostScript and PDF, so it's a good choice. Plus, it's possible to hardware accelerate it's screen drawing functionality through OpenGL, since it's based on an XRender like compositing engine. This makes it quite interesting.
Ooh! Ooh! This is the one they're basing the next version of Gnome on isn't it? Mozilla are also moving in that direction. JFDI[1] I say :)
Olly.
[1] I'll give you a clue: It's Nike's slogan with the F from RTFM chucked in :)
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On 16/6/05 12:05 pm, "Thomas Frieden" <ThomasF@hyperion-entertainment.biz> wrote:
Indeed. A complete overhaul of the printing system is planned for 4.1
Does this mean we'll finally get a decent standard printing requestor? -- Thanks, Andy Hall
I have ICQ as well, may I add you up? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Fraser" <argo@twcny.rr.com> To: "Effort to port OpenOffice.org to AmigaOS4" <openoffice-os4@samfundet.no> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [OO.org-OS4] Re: Printer considerations, was AmiGBG
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:15:11 -0400, stephane richard <srichard@adaworld.com> wrote:
lol I'm in upstate NY, nowhere near France....lol But I know my name may suggest otherwise ;-).
I suppose Quebec doesn't count. It's kinda French... Besides, your downstate. At least from me. Have to wait til the next Ottawa show.
-- Chris Fraser ICQ:13329852 argo@twcny.rr.com
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Op 14-jun-05, om 21:47 heeft Rose Humphrey het volgende geschreven:
Oh good, that makes two of us.
It occurs to me, as I struggle to set up my brand-new Canon Pixma MP780 (how can anyone collect so many non-working telephone cables?) that if we're going to have a decent office suite on the Amiga we're logically also in need of a decent selection of up-to-date printer drivers . Is anyone aware of any such project, even if it's only porting the linux drivers? There's rumours about Turboprint, but no actual announcements...
I remember discussing this once with Ben Hermans, basicly, my idea was to port CUPS to AOS4 (cups is the printing system used on linux, bsd & OSX). Considering OOo was made to use cups on linux/osx, it might be worth investigating ---- Amon_Re Ochal Christophe Webmaster for: http://www.kefren.be http://www.metalfest.be http://amigadev.amigaworld.net
Ochal Christophe wrote:
Op 10-jun-05, om 08:19 heeft Ole-Egil Hvitmyren het volgende geschreven:
Ochal Christophe wrote:
Hi all, Since Stephane Richard has done a great work on the article sofar, i was wondering whom of us will be able to attend amigbg? Also, who is able to be there AND give a presentation? Come on now, don't be shy.... PS: I'll be most likely be attending & doing the same
Just noticed it said i'd be attenting, when i meant i'd be attending boinged in Belgium :P
And since that is now official, can we do the same PR stunt for AmiGBG? What's our project description for the AmiGBG website? Ole-Egil -- We'll double-cross that bridge when we get there.
Hello Ole-Egil On 17/06/2005, you wrote:
Ochal Christophe wrote:
Op 10-jun-05, om 08:19 heeft Ole-Egil Hvitmyren het volgende geschreven:
Ochal Christophe wrote:
Hi all, Since Stephane Richard has done a great work on the article sofar, i was wondering whom of us will be able to attend amigbg? Also, who is able to be there AND give a presentation? Come on now, don't be shy.... PS: I'll be most likely be attending & doing the same
Just noticed it said i'd be attenting, when i meant i'd be attending boinged in Belgium :P
And since that is now official, can we do the same PR stunt for AmiGBG? What's our project description for the AmiGBG website?
Erm... emm.... what do you mea, with "our project description for the amigbg website"? Regards -- Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. -- Albert Einstein Amon_Re Christophe Ochal Hoge Buizemont 168 9500 Geraardsbergen, Belgium Mobile: 0032 (0)479/46 45 74 http://www.kefren.be http://www.metalfest.be
Christophe Ochal said:
Erm... emm.... what do you mea, with "our project description for the amigbg website"?
I'm not quite certain what you didn't understand here, but if we're going to have half a table for distributing flyers at AmiGBG, then they're going to want to let people know in advance that we're going to be there, and if you had BOTHERED to look at their webpage (yes, they do an english version as well) you would have seen that all the OTHER groups and companies who are coming have a short text describing what they do and why they will be there. I'm now officially giving up on explaining what AmiGBG is and why we should be there. Suffice to say I WILL be there, and if you guys want me to do any PR I'll have to know a few days in advance what I'm doing. There will be half a table for AOO (or whatever our name is now. Judean peoples front of OO.org?). The rest of the table will be for AmigaRulez, a swedish web forum of which I'm a member (I have their T-shirt. I also have iron-on t-shirt transfers for ink-jet, so I can wear our own logo if it's good enough) If we don't want a table, I'll be distributing AmigaRulez flyers wearing their t-shirt instead. -- We'll jump off that bridge when we get there.
Hello Olegil On 18/06/2005, you wrote:
Christophe Ochal said:
Erm... emm.... what do you mea, with "our project description for the amigbg website"?
I'm not quite certain what you didn't understand here, but if we're going to have half a table for distributing flyers at AmiGBG, then they're going to want to let people know in advance that we're going to be there, and if you had BOTHERED to look at their webpage (yes, they do an english version as well) you would have seen that all the OTHER groups and companies who are coming have a short text describing what they do and why they will be there.
Consider it taken care off. Regards -- A fool-proof method for sculpting an elephant: first, get a huge block of marble; then you chip away everything that doesn't look like an elephant. Amon_Re Christophe Ochal Hoge Buizemont 168 9500 Geraardsbergen, Belgium Mobile: 0032 (0)479/46 45 74 http://www.kefren.be http://www.metalfest.be
Christophe Ochal wrote:
Consider it taken care off.
According to Mattias over at AmiGBG they're still waiting for you to respond with that project description for the webpage, so... ;-) He's also offered to print a poster for me if I can send a pdf to him soonish, has anyone thought of that? And I'm sure that if we want to print out a few flyers in amazing colors or something he can organize it so long as I foot the bill :-P So step up, people. PR material needed badly. Ole-Egil -- We'll double-cross that bridge when we get there.
AS soon as I have some numbers and other material from Christophe, I can finish the article :-). So that would be part of it. :-). Stephane Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ole-Egil Hvitmyren" <olegil@samfundet.no> To: <ochal@kefren.be>; "Effort to port OpenOffice.org to AmigaOS4" <openoffice-os4@samfundet.no> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [OO.org-OS4] Re: AmiGBG
Christophe Ochal wrote:
Consider it taken care off.
According to Mattias over at AmiGBG they're still waiting for you to respond with that project description for the webpage, so... ;-)
He's also offered to print a poster for me if I can send a pdf to him soonish, has anyone thought of that?
And I'm sure that if we want to print out a few flyers in amazing colors or something he can organize it so long as I foot the bill :-P
So step up, people. PR material needed badly.
Ole-Egil -- We'll double-cross that bridge when we get there.
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On 23/6/05 1:04 pm, "Ole-Egil Hvitmyren" <olegil@samfundet.no> wrote:
So step up, people. PR material needed badly.
I'd love to help out here, but this is the best I could come up with:- http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uncharted/stuff/oooposter.jpg :-D Who is supposed to be in charge of PR? Anyone here with *ANY* experience of it at all? -- Thanks, Andy Hall
Well I haven't been "put in charge" per se, but I did do something...I'm waiting on material from Chris Orchal in order to finish it. Along with a higher resolution logo. you can read the third draft here: http://www.adaworld.com/AmiGBGArticleThirdDraft.pdf Stephane Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Hall" <uncharted@ntlworld.com> To: <openoffice-os4@samfundet.no> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 8:49 AM Subject: Why I'm not the PR guy (Re: [OO.org-OS4] Re: AmiGBG)
On 23/6/05 1:04 pm, "Ole-Egil Hvitmyren" <olegil@samfundet.no> wrote:
So step up, people. PR material needed badly.
I'd love to help out here, but this is the best I could come up with:-
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uncharted/stuff/oooposter.jpg :-D
Who is supposed to be in charge of PR? Anyone here with *ANY* experience of it at all?
--
Thanks,
Andy Hall
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Resending this because it didn't seem to go through this morning... On 23/6/05 1:04 pm, "Ole-Egil Hvitmyren" <olegil@samfundet.no> wrote:
So step up, people. PR material needed badly.
I'd love to help out here, but this is the best I could come up with:- http://homepage.ntlworld.com/uncharted/stuff/oooposter.jpg :-D Who is supposed to be in charge of PR? Anyone here with *ANY* experience of it at all? -- Thanks, Andy Hall
On 6/24/05, Andy Hall <uncharted@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Who is supposed to be in charge of PR? Anyone here with *ANY* experience of it at all?
Not PR as such, but I'm a web designer by trade. I know my way around Photoshop. A quick squizz produced this: http://thinkdrastic.net/journal/wp-content/AOOo_Poster1.jpg I'm working at A3 resolution so this can be scaled up/down/adjusted to suit flyers and posters. I'm not so good a snappy slogans and whatnot so feel free to flame them :) Still need a high res logo... Feedback please peeps. Olly.
On 24/6/05 9:16 pm, "Olly Hodgson" <oliver.hodgson@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm working at A3 resolution so this can be scaled up/down/adjusted to suit flyers and posters. I'm not so good a snappy slogans and whatnot so feel free to flame them :) Still need a high res logo...
Feedback please peeps.
It looks sweet, but you need to check your capitalisation. I *think* it should be:- An industry standard office suite. Microsoft compatible. On your Amiga. But I'm pretty crap with grammar. I thought there was a higher res version of the logo on the site somewhere, but I sure can't find it now. -- Thanks, Andy Hall
Hi Olly, Don't think there's someone 'in charge' of PR, there's just several people that have indicated they'd like to help out in that area (I'm one of those). Other than I like the composition of your poster I have no comments atm. For inspiration you may want to have a look here: http://marketing.openoffice.org/art/ Regards, Peter /Rincewynd -----Original Message----- From: openoffice-os4-bounces@samfundet.no [mailto:openoffice-os4-bounces@samfundet.no] On Behalf Of Olly Hodgson Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 10:16 PM To: Effort to port OpenOffice.org to AmigaOS4 Subject: Re: Why I'm not the PR guy (Re: [OO.org-OS4] Re: AmiGBG) On 6/24/05, Andy Hall <uncharted@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Who is supposed to be in charge of PR? Anyone here with *ANY* experience of it at all?
Not PR as such, but I'm a web designer by trade. I know my way around Photoshop. A quick squizz produced this: http://thinkdrastic.net/journal/wp-content/AOOo_Poster1.jpg I'm working at A3 resolution so this can be scaled up/down/adjusted to suit flyers and posters. I'm not so good a snappy slogans and whatnot so feel free to flame them :) Still need a high res logo... Feedback please peeps. Olly. _______________________________________________ Openoffice-os4 mailing list Openoffice-os4@samfundet.no https://lists.samfundet.no/mailman/listinfo/openoffice-os4
On Sam 25 juin 2005 7:24, Peter Molenaar a écrit :
Hi Olly,
Don't think there's someone 'in charge' of PR, there's just several people that have indicated they'd like to help out in that area (I'm one of those).
Hmmm I can see a few problems. First, we need to make the reading eye move more easily along the text, and there are far too many pauses. So: - drop the full stops after each of the first three lines, they spoil the flow of the words. An exclamation mark at the end of the 4th line. - Drop the paragraph separator between the 5th and 6th, and replace the three dots by a colon. I think you'll find it reads better that way. Next, the problem is with the word "Microsoft". Not only is it probably TM or something, it's limiting. OOo is available on a number of platforms and compatible with a number of popular office suites (mainly via RTF). I'd tend to replace "Microsoft compatible" with "Compatible with a wide range of platforms" It would be more tactful too: you know how some of our people react to the slightest mention of the word "Microsoft"! -- Rose Humphrey Amont Informatique France
On 25/6/05 9:37 am, "Rose Humphrey" <aos4@amont-info.com> wrote:
Hmmm I can see a few problems. First, we need to make the reading eye move more easily along the text, and there are far too many pauses. So:
- drop the full stops after each of the first three lines, they spoil the flow of the words.
I disagree, "broken flow" (for want of a better description) is a commonly used advertising technique, particularly used by Apple. You have two general statements about the application, then bang! The killer feature (that it is (or will be) available on Amiga).
An exclamation mark at the end of the 4th line.
Good idea.
- Drop the paragraph separator between the 5th and 6th, and replace the three dots by a colon.
Change it to "Find out more at:" then decrease, but not remove, the spacing between the 2 would be better IMHO
I think you'll find it reads better that way.
Next, the problem is with the word "Microsoft". Not only is it probably TM or something,
That's a good point we'll have to have a TM on there and a small text at the bottom stating that Microsoft is a trademark, as well as any other trademarks this poster might carry, like Amiga.
it's limiting. OOo is available on a number of platforms and compatible with a number of popular office suites (mainly via RTF). I'd tend to replace "Microsoft compatible" with "Compatible with a wide range of platforms"
It would be more tactful too: you know how some of our people react to the slightest mention of the word "Microsoft"!
Huh? You are kidding right? Microsoft Compatibility is *THE* key feature to OO.o. I doubt there would be even half the interest in it if it wasn't for this. People WANT Microsoft Office compatabilty, people NEED Microsoft Office compatability. As much as most of the target audience would like to run over Gates and co with a bus, the conext of it is quite clear, and rather positive. If this was Microsoft OpenOffice, then there might be cause for concern. -- Thanks, Andy Hall
On Sam 25 juin 2005 22:27, Andy Hall a écrit :
On 25/6/05 9:37 am, "Rose Humphrey" <aos4@amont-info.com> wrote:
Hmmm I can see a few problems. First, we need to make the reading eye move more easily along the text, and there are far too many pauses. So:
- drop the full stops after each of the first three lines, they spoil the flow of the words.
I disagree, "broken flow" (for want of a better description) is a commonly used advertising technique, particularly used by Apple. You have two general statements about the application, then bang! The killer feature (that it is (or will be) available on Amiga).
The "broken flow" results from full stops, not from the short punchy phrases. Short punchy phrases are good. Full stops are evil. Lose the full stops.
An exclamation mark at the end of the 4th line.
Good idea.
- Drop the paragraph separator between the 5th and 6th, and replace the three dots by a colon.
Change it to "Find out more at:" then decrease, but not remove, the spacing between the 2 would be better IMHO
Fair enough.
I think you'll find it reads better that way.
Next, the problem is with the word "Microsoft". Not only is it probably TM or something,
That's a good point we'll have to have a TM on there and a small text at the bottom stating that Microsoft is a trademark, as well as any other trademarks this poster might carry, like Amiga.
it's limiting. OOo is available on a number of platforms and compatible with a number of popular office suites (mainly via RTF). I'd tend to replace "Microsoft compatible" with "Compatible with a wide range of platforms"
It would be more tactful too: you know how some of our people react to the slightest mention of the word "Microsoft"!
Huh? You are kidding right?
Wish I was.
Microsoft Compatibility is *THE* key feature to OO.o. I doubt there would be even half the interest in it if it wasn't for this. People WANT Microsoft Office compatabilty, people NEED Microsoft Office compatability.
Yes. So tell them it can do *more* than that. If _all_ it offers is Microsoft compatibility, they'll reason that people will just use MS instead. Psychology ;) I've never done PR, but I have picked up a few tips in presentation over the years. Oh, and I should have added: the graphic layout is great. Cheers -- Rose Humphrey Amont Informatique France
Hello, On 26/6/05 7:48 am, "Rose Humphrey" <aos4@amont-info.com> wrote:
The "broken flow" results from full stops, not from the short punchy phrases. Short punchy phrases are good. Full stops are evil. Lose the full stops.
The presence or absence of full stops have absolutely no bearing on how "punchy" those phrases are. The fact is the reason why the flow of text is "broken" is because there are there are three distinct sentences split into 3 lines. If that doesn't read right then it would be because there is a problem with the sentences chosen. Perhaps the first one could be reworked slightly. Punctuation has sod all to do with it (aside from being good English).
Microsoft Compatibility is *THE* key feature to OO.o. I doubt there would be even half the interest in it if it wasn't for this. People WANT Microsoft Office compatabilty, people NEED Microsoft Office compatability.
Yes. So tell them it can do *more* than that. If _all_ it offers is Microsoft compatibility, they'll reason that people will just use MS instead. Psychology ;)
But in your suggested phrasing it doesn't tell them anything about the "Holy Grail" feature, just vague marketing speak. Wordworth or AmigaWriter would be able to boast that. Why should they bother supporting a project which is little better than what is already available? That is, of course, following your assumptions that the people that this is targeting are thick as bricks and don't know anything about anything. Your first argument being based upon some Über-zealot that (hopefully) doesn't exist, the second being based upon some odd amateur psychology that states that all suitable candidates for joining this project are hopelessly defeatist. Whether you like it or not Microsoft compatibility is the killer feature and it needs to be promoted. -- Thanks, Andy Hall
I agree with Andy on this one (even though I didn't include that feature in my original draft. Reviewing the main goals here. The first of which, I assume is to attract people (users and developers) to help in this initiative and to hopefully help users of other OSes switch over to the Amiga realm. As a Windows user, I'd be happy to hear that OpenOffice on Amiga would be microsoft compatible. Since at that point in time I read this, alot of my documents / spreadsheets, etc etc would already be windows created. :-) You have to go get the masses and today, the masses are on windows and/or linux. The key here is to introduce this feature in such a way that it is definitaly noticed, as one of it's main features without microsoft taking over the publicity if you know what I'm saying :-) Stephane Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Hall" <uncharted@ntlworld.com> To: <openoffice-os4@samfundet.no> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 10:21 AM Subject: Re: Why I'm not the PR guy (Re: [OO.org-OS4] Re: AmiGBG)
Hello,
On 26/6/05 7:48 am, "Rose Humphrey" <aos4@amont-info.com> wrote:
The "broken flow" results from full stops, not from the short punchy phrases. Short punchy phrases are good. Full stops are evil. Lose the full stops.
The presence or absence of full stops have absolutely no bearing on how "punchy" those phrases are. The fact is the reason why the flow of text is "broken" is because there are there are three distinct sentences split into 3 lines. If that doesn't read right then it would be because there is a problem with the sentences chosen. Perhaps the first one could be reworked slightly.
Punctuation has sod all to do with it (aside from being good English).
Microsoft Compatibility is *THE* key feature to OO.o. I doubt there would be even half the interest in it if it wasn't for this. People WANT Microsoft Office compatabilty, people NEED Microsoft Office compatability.
Yes. So tell them it can do *more* than that. If _all_ it offers is Microsoft compatibility, they'll reason that people will just use MS instead. Psychology ;)
But in your suggested phrasing it doesn't tell them anything about the "Holy Grail" feature, just vague marketing speak. Wordworth or AmigaWriter would be able to boast that. Why should they bother supporting a project which is little better than what is already available?
That is, of course, following your assumptions that the people that this is targeting are thick as bricks and don't know anything about anything. Your first argument being based upon some Über-zealot that (hopefully) doesn't exist, the second being based upon some odd amateur psychology that states that all suitable candidates for joining this project are hopelessly defeatist.
Whether you like it or not Microsoft compatibility is the killer feature and it needs to be promoted.
--
Thanks,
Andy Hall
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On Dim 26 juin 2005 16:21, Andy Hall a écrit :
Hello,
On 26/6/05 7:48 am, "Rose Humphrey" <aos4@amont-info.com> wrote:
The "broken flow" results from full stops, not from the short punchy phrases. Short punchy phrases are good. Full stops are evil. Lose the full stops.
The presence or absence of full stops have absolutely no bearing on how "punchy" those phrases are.
Sorry, that's quite wrong. Look at posters done by professionals, look at newspaper headlines, look at a shopping-list for Heanven's sake. Are the full stops everywhere? No.
The fact is the reason why the flow of text is "broken" is because there are there are three distinct sentences split into 3 lines. If that doesn't read right then it would be because there is a problem with the sentences chosen. Perhaps the first one could be reworked slightly.
Punctuation has sod all to do with it (aside from being good English).
It would be good English if these fulls tops were at the end of propoerly-constructed sentences (subject-verb-object, to simplify grossly). It's not the case here and we don't WANT properly-constructed sentences anyway. This is communication and presentation. Trust me, I do have some experience here.
Microsoft Compatibility is *THE* key feature to OO.o. I doubt there would be even half the interest in it if it wasn't for this. People WANT Microsoft Office compatabilty, people NEED Microsoft Office compatability.
Yes. So tell them it can do *more* than that. If _all_ it offers is Microsoft compatibility, they'll reason that people will just use MS instead. Psychology ;)
But in your suggested phrasing it doesn't tell them anything about the "Holy Grail" feature, just vague marketing speak. Wordworth or AmigaWriter would be able to boast that. Why should they bother supporting a project which is little better than what is already available?
Then try something like "Compatible with MicroSoft Office(TM) and many other platforms". No full stop, and put the part starting "and..." on a separate line, in a slightly smaller font size if you want. -- Rose Humphrey Amont Informatique France
Hello, On 26/6/05 4:28 pm, "Rose Humphrey" <aos4@amont-info.com> wrote:
Sorry, that's quite wrong. Look at posters done by professionals, look at newspaper headlines, look at a shopping-list for Heanven's sake. Are the full stops everywhere? No.
These are neither headlines nor a shopping list. If you want an examples of full stops in advertising are everywhere. Just look at just about everything Apple have ever put out.
It would be good English if these fulls tops were at the end of propoerly-constructed sentences (subject-verb-object, to simplify grossly). It's not the case here and we don't WANT properly-constructed sentences anyway. This is communication and presentation. Trust me, I do have some experience here.
If you say so. I'd love to spend all day arguing the point but I've got an A-Team DVD to watch. I pity the fool. Suka! -- Thanks, Andy Hall
On Dim 26 juin 2005 20:22, Andy Hall a écrit :
Hello,
On 26/6/05 4:28 pm, "Rose Humphrey" <aos4@amont-info.com> wrote:
Sorry, that's quite wrong. Look at posters done by professionals, look at newspaper headlines, look at a shopping-list for Heanven's sake. Are the full stops everywhere? No.
These are neither headlines nor a shopping list. If you want an examples of full stops in advertising are everywhere. Just look at just about everything Apple have ever put out.
I have. There isn't. Full stops must be used with caution when you're not dealing with a standard text. Do I tell you guys how to code? End of correspondence. -- Rose Humphrey Amont Informatique France
Rose Humphrey wrote:
On Dim 26 juin 2005 20:22, Andy Hall a écrit :
Hello,
On 26/6/05 4:28 pm, "Rose Humphrey" <aos4@amont-info.com> wrote:
Sorry, that's quite wrong. Look at posters done by professionals, look at newspaper headlines, look at a shopping-list for Heanven's sake. Are the full stops everywhere? No.
These are neither headlines nor a shopping list. If you want an examples of full stops in advertising are everywhere. Just look at just about everything Apple have ever put out.
I have. There isn't. Full stops must be used with caution when you're not dealing with a standard text.
Do I tell you guys how to code?
End of correspondence.
I'm going to have to side with Rose on this one. They aren't complete sentences, the full stops just make the lines look lonely, rather than catchy. A good rule for proof-reading things like this is to mentally read "." as "stop", as in a telegram. It quickly reveals what does and doesn't work for normal readers. It's a great starting point, though. If you look at AmiGBGs own posters, they don't have a single full stop in any of their PR material. They have one or two exclamation marks, but no "."s at all. And I for one think they have some very good ideas when it comes to text flow. -- We'll double-cross that bridge when we get there.
On 6/27/05, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren <olegil@samfundet.no> wrote:
It's a great starting point, though.
Second attempt: http://thinkdrastic.net/journal/wp-content/AOOo_Poster2.jpg No full stops, now only implies Microsoft :o) I'm sure there were other suggestions, but I think they got lost. Any more for any more?
I too feel that the full stops sound/look strange, had it only been one sentence it would have been ok, but the continuation sort of ruins it. One of the first things i learned though when taking a copywrite class was never to end with one word on a new line, it has haunted me ever since :) One other thing, the industry standard part sounds odd, i would personally actually go for the Microsoft Office part (seeing as it´s not really an industry standard as such, only sort of a de facto standard) with the R and TM ofcourse, in my experience people only expect compatibility troubles from MS and generally assume everyone else plays along nicely. Well, got to run, no free time here. Very nice poster, keep coding people :P /Step Rose Humphrey wrote:
On Dim 26 juin 2005 20:22, Andy Hall a écrit :
Hello,
On 26/6/05 4:28 pm, "Rose Humphrey" <aos4@amont-info.com> wrote:
Sorry, that's quite wrong. Look at posters done by professionals, look at newspaper headlines, look at a shopping-list for Heanven's sake. Are the full stops everywhere? No.
These are neither headlines nor a shopping list. If you want an examples of full stops in advertising are everywhere. Just look at just about everything Apple have ever put out.
I have. There isn't. Full stops must be used with caution when you're not dealing with a standard text.
Do I tell you guys how to code?
End of correspondence.
Stefan Lindqvist wrote:
I too feel that the full stops sound/look strange, had it only been one sentence it would have been ok, but the continuation sort of ruins it.
One of the first things i learned though when taking a copywrite class was never to end with one word on a new line, it has haunted me ever since :)
Agreed. Rather than blah blah blah use more people, it should be either compressed to fit on two lines or break the second line earlier, like blah blah blah use more people.
One other thing, the industry standard part sounds odd, i would personally actually go for the Microsoft Office part (seeing as it´s not really an industry standard as such, only sort of a de facto standard) with the R and TM ofcourse, in my experience people only expect compatibility troubles from MS and generally assume everyone else plays along nicely.
I think it looks and sounds nice as it is, but then again I'm really not that picky. If we could decide on the last tidbits rather quickly so Mattias can have it printed on my expence then we're good to go :-) I'm leaving in a couple of days, but I will be online again the last couple of days before the show. If the flyer/info-sheet is ready then, it should be possible to find a place to have that printed as well. Hopefully. A black&white version of the flyer that looks ok on a laser printer or copyer as a last-minute-before-the-show-and-the-printing-company-hasn't-done-their-job safeguard would be nice as well. If you get my drift. The table is booked and paid for, I just owe Mattias a beer. -- We'll double-cross that bridge when we get there.
Don't get carried away with the flyers, I took 200 fullcolour glossy professionally designed amigaworld.net flyers to AmiGBG 2004. Only about 5 people actually took a flyer at the Amigaworld.net table. Posters are always a good idea though. Regards David Owner/Webmaster Amigaworld.net Quoting Ole-Egil Hvitmyren <olegil@samfundet.no>:
Stefan Lindqvist wrote:
I too feel that the full stops sound/look strange, had it only been one sentence it would have been ok, but the continuation sort of ruins it.
One of the first things i learned though when taking a copywrite class was never to end with one word on a new line, it has haunted me ever since :)
Agreed. Rather than blah blah blah use more people,
it should be either compressed to fit on two lines or break the second line earlier, like blah blah blah use more people.
One other thing, the industry standard part sounds odd, i would personally actually go for the Microsoft Office part (seeing as it´s not really an industry standard as such, only sort of a de facto standard) with the R and TM ofcourse, in my experience people only expect compatibility troubles from MS and generally assume everyone else plays along nicely.
I think it looks and sounds nice as it is, but then again I'm really not that picky. If we could decide on the last tidbits rather quickly so Mattias can have it printed on my expence then we're good to go :-)
I'm leaving in a couple of days, but I will be online again the last couple of days before the show. If the flyer/info-sheet is ready then, it should be possible to find a place to have that printed as well. Hopefully. A black&white version of the flyer that looks ok on a laser printer or copyer as a last-minute-before-the-show-and-the-printing-company-hasn't-done-their-job safeguard would be nice as well. If you get my drift. The table is booked and paid for, I just owe Mattias a beer. -- We'll double-cross that bridge when we get there.
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david@amigaworld.net wrote:
Don't get carried away with the flyers, I took 200 fullcolour glossy professionally designed amigaworld.net flyers to AmiGBG 2004. Only about 5 people actually took a flyer at the Amigaworld.net table. Posters are always a good idea though.
Well, presumably everyone (and his laptop^h^h^hdog) knows AW.net already then? :-P If I'm just going to be standing there next to a poster and look dumb then I'm also going to FEEL dumb. And we don't want that (trust me, we don't ;-) ) Ole-Egil -- We'll double-cross that bridge when we get there.
On Mar 28 juin 2005 15:56, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren a écrit :
david@amigaworld.net wrote:
Don't get carried away with the flyers, I took 200 fullcolour glossy professionally designed amigaworld.net flyers to AmiGBG 2004. Only about 5 people actually took a flyer at the Amigaworld.net table. Posters are always a good idea though.
Well, presumably everyone (and his laptop^h^h^hdog) knows AW.net already then? :-P
Of course, any spare flyers could be distributed at other events... ;) -- Rose Humphrey Amont Informatique France
On 6/28/05, david@amigaworld.net <david@amigaworld.net> wrote:
Don't get carried away with the flyers, I took 200 fullcolour glossy professionally designed amigaworld.net flyers to AmiGBG 2004. Only about 5 people actually took a flyer at the Amigaworld.net table. Posters are always a good idea though.
Hey David, do we have a high res version of the logo at all? :)
Hey David, do we have a high res version of the logo at all? :)
Here is a higher res logo, not quite print res though http://www.amigaopenoffice.org/images/openoffice-hires.png Regards David Doyle (DaveyD) Owner/Webmaster Amigaworld.net
On 6/28/05, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren <olegil@samfundet.no> wrote:
it should be either compressed to fit on two lines or break the second line earlier, like blah blah blah use more people.
<http://thinkdrastic.net/journal/wp-content/AOOoPoster3.jpg> Better? Now, a high res logo and some finalised boilerplate/legalese and we're done methinks.
Ok, I'm lost now :-) (not the first time, get used to it lol). Just to set the record straight here, is there any need, now with the new thing being done, for my article? If so, I'm still waiting on material from Chris Orchal :-)......and time's a passing :-). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olly Hodgson" <oliver.hodgson@gmail.com> To: "Effort to port OpenOffice.org to AmigaOS4" <openoffice-os4@samfundet.no> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 4:35 PM Subject: Re: Why I'm not the PR guy (Re: [OO.org-OS4] Re: AmiGBG)
On 6/28/05, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren <olegil@samfundet.no> wrote:
it should be either compressed to fit on two lines or break the second line earlier, like blah blah blah use more people.
<http://thinkdrastic.net/journal/wp-content/AOOoPoster3.jpg>
Better?
Now, a high res logo and some finalised boilerplate/legalese and we're done methinks.
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stephane richard wrote:
Ok, I'm lost now :-) (not the first time, get used to it lol). Just to set the record straight here, is there any need, now with the new thing being done, for my article? If so, I'm still waiting on material from Chris Orchal :-)......and time's a passing :-).
You're writing an article. Olly is making a poster. I don't see the use of one without the other ;-) -- We'll double-cross that bridge when we get there.
On 6/23/05, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren <olegil@samfundet.no> wrote:
He's also offered to print a poster for me if I can send a pdf to him soonish, has anyone thought of that?
I can have a go at that - do we have a high res version of our logo at all?
And I'm sure that if we want to print out a few flyers in amazing colors or something he can organize it so long as I foot the bill :-P
What do we want on these posters/flyers?
On Sam 18 juin 2005 23:02, Olegil at home a écrit :
I'm now officially giving up on explaining what AmiGBG is and why we should be there. Suffice to say I WILL be there, and if you guys want me to do any PR I'll have to know a few days in advance what I'm doing.
There should, indeed, be a presence. It's a big show, full of descendants of the Vikings who can get very huffy when ignored ;) I'm contributing towards a prize for the winner of a debate organised by GGS-Data (and if any of you gets involved as an Amiga "troll", I advise you to *lose* ;) ) -- Rose Humphrey Amont Informatique France
Hello, On 18/6/05 10:02 pm, "Olegil at home" <olegil@samfundet.no> wrote:
If we don't want a table, I'll be distributing AmigaRulez flyers wearing their t-shirt instead.
How about wearing a T-shirt with the logo AOO.o logo and the words "Official Team Grumpy Git"* on it? :-) Hmmn, if any coders are going they could have "Buy me a drink and I might just port OpenOffice" T-shirts. The possibilities are endless!! :-D * and I mean grumpy git in an affectionate way (we love you really :-D) -- Thanks, Andy Hall
On 2005/06/19, Andy Hall wrote:
Hello,
On 18/6/05 10:02 pm, "Olegil at home" <olegil@samfundet.no> wrote:
If we don't want a table, I'll be distributing AmigaRulez flyers wearing their t-shirt instead.
How about wearing a T-shirt with the logo AOO.o logo and the words "Official Team Grumpy Git"* on it? :-) Hmmn, if any coders are going they could have "Buy me a drink and I might just port OpenOffice" T-shirts. The possibilities are endless!! :-D
* and I mean grumpy git in an affectionate way (we love you really :-D)
haha yeah, I was planning to use my AmigaInc t-shirt but have to rethink that. Regards
On Dim 19 juin 2005 15:08, Andy Hall a écrit :
Hmmn, if any coders are going they could have "Buy me a drink and I might just port OpenOffice" T-shirts.
Don't tempt me. I've got a brand-new Pixma MP 780, a box of iron-on transfers, and Boinged in Belgium coming up... -- Rose Humphrey Amont Informatique France
Andy Hall wrote:
Hello,
On 18/6/05 10:02 pm, "Olegil at home" <olegil@samfundet.no> wrote:
If we don't want a table, I'll be distributing AmigaRulez flyers wearing their t-shirt instead.
How about wearing a T-shirt with the logo AOO.o logo and the words "Official Team Grumpy Git"* on it? :-)
Woooo. I'll most certainly do :-)
Hmmn, if any coders are going they could have "Buy me a drink and I might just port OpenOffice" T-shirts. The possibilities are endless!! :-D
Awesome idea. Too bad everyone seems to have other engagements at the show.
* and I mean grumpy git in an affectionate way (we love you really :-D)
You're just saying that cause I'm sitting on the password to the mail server :-P -- We'll double-cross that bridge when we get there.
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Ochal Christophe
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Olegil at home
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Peter Bengtsson -
Peter Molenaar -
Rene W. Olsen -
Rose Humphrey -
Stefan Lindqvist -
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Thomas Frieden -
tony wyatt