It's time to get started on some more work. I mentioned yesterday that I
had an idea for something that might bring in a couple of more
programmers. Apoligies in advance for stepping on anyones toes here, but
I think we've been a bit too silent lately. And that isn't good in the
The idea is this:
Construct a proper dependency graph for OO.org, and then use this to
construct an "enabling end-products" graph. I'm not sure what to call
it, but I basically mean taking the dependecies we have in OO.org, and
figuring out what other useful and/or cool pieces of software will be
that much closer to a port if/when each dependency is taken care of.
That way both we and people who come across some kind of source they
want to port will know where to start.
I'm thinking of doing it as a graphical diagram as well as a relational
database (because I do both of those things a lot already). That way you
could search in the database for a piece of software to see what
dependencies there are and if anyone is working on them, or search for a
dependency and see how useful it is.
Does it sound useful? I think it would make it a lot easier for people
like Captain Moo Moo and Joppe, who were both looking for projects to
feed to students. Just putting all of them into the OO.org pool would be
too much noise and not enough gain, but splitting them into teams to
tackle smaller (but still important) parts of the project or even build
other projects on top of our dependencies to extend the software base of
the Amiga would be great.
So we need to concentrate more on those dependencies. I know Henning has
spent a shitload of time on this already, I would actually like to know
at this point who _is a programmer_ and _has some time this coming
weekend_ (and if yes on both points, _when_). Yes, an IRC schedule. We
won't be needing non-programmers, but an hour or two of nitty gritty
code reviews and notes taken which can be built into a database would be
a good place to start if we want to attract some more attention. For
one, it would serve as a kind of "progress report" to the outside world.
I'll be sketching down the outline of a database tomorrow, if any
programmers has some free time between friday evening and monday
morning, european time, send me a PRIVATE EMAIL with the fixed
world-clock time ( http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html )
repeat for each period
If you have better ideas for scheduling practices, please make note of
them IN ADDITION to following my wish. At least this once, we'll see if
we use your ideas in the future, ok? :-)
And I repeat, we really only need people who can go over code/search
elsewhere to look for obvious dependencies. I'm sure we won't find all
dependecies (and their order/structure, which is just as important) just
yet, but maybe we can start filling in something.
It would be awesome if someone could find a member of an existing oo.org
porting project team and get some input there. That would actually help
Of course, if people choose to ignore my idea then that is perfectly
acceptable, but I hope I'll then at least get a response indicating that
the email has been read but the idea rejected. Even though it ended up
as a rather long email in the end...
We'll double-cross that bridge when we get there.
From Captain Moo Moo!
Was nice to meet some of the team at AmiGBG. I look forward to becoming
involved in the porting efforts!
Dr. Piyush Khengar
Centre for Telecommunications Research, Room 224
King's College London
University of London
26-29 Drury Lane
London WC2B 5RL, UK
Tel.: +44 (0)20 7848 1916
Mob.: +44 (0)7866 624 521
Fax.: +44 (0)20 7848 2664
I received this email from Mattias, and i have already replied with the
third draft of the pdf in attachment, but if there is an update, please let
him know too.
I've got one hell of a backlog of mails atm, so i might have missed things
*** FORWARDED MESSAGE ***
Original author: Mattias Karlsson
Written on: 16/07/2005
*** Beginning of forwarded message ***
I will be sharing tables with Ole-Egil at the AmiGBG fair.
As he is on a bicycle many miles from home I offered to get his pr material
printed, he said that he has given my email to the AmigaOpenOffice team and
they would send me an email with the PDF that should be printed. The
deadline of my printing office is very soon and I still haven't got an
Could you see to that the pr material is email to me as soon as possible?
*** End of forwarded message ***
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Last nigth, Thomas Graff and I did some debuging of libusb, and we found out that my 2 weeks old
problem wasent with Libusb but in uhci driver.. If/when libusb asked for a string of 255 bytes (max
size of strings) the uchi driver whould STALL and the stack whould hang :/ The usb documentation
clearly state that its leagal to ask for a big buffer and just get a smaller one returned.. so that
one bug for the Sirion team to work out, but for now I have made a small workaround for strings but
I dont think this workaroung will work for bulk/interrupt read/writes but time will tell.
Wrigth now there is only bulk/interrupt read and write that are missing before its finished, all the
init code seams to work. My little test program that scan the devices fully works, so I really need
to find a driver there uses bulk or interrupt so I can finishes the last functions.
I dont know if anyone has started porting SANE? for I'm pretty sure SANE uses interrupt or bulk for
scanning. so MAYBE i'll have a look at it.
PS: I'm pretty glad that we found this irritation bug, it have honted my the last 2 weeks :D <- (Yes
I'm happy now)
PSS: If there is some OS4 beta testers ind here that want to tryet for me, so just say so. (its have
to be os4 betatester for I use some new functions that are not pressent in OS4 Update3)
PSSS: sorry its goes at this low speed, I'm really trying to do my best but there is so mutch USB
stuff I had to learn and now it seams I'm also figting with Sirion bugs... not easy I tell you.
Rene W. Olsen
Olly Hodgson said:
> On 7/1/05, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren <olegil(a)samfundet.no> wrote:
>> If you guys ever get something out the door, send it to Mattias
> Some sort of email address would be handy...
Sorry. Thought I had mentioned it already.
I'm in Gothenburg now, and I was just asked if AmiGBG can officially
announce our presence on their website tomorrow. I'll be there, so if
there will be something to present I'm all for it. You guys get back to me
with "yep, there'll be something, go ahead", or "bah, go home" before
tomorrow, ok? :-P
OT: Couldn't resist:
>> Hope to see some of you guys there. I'll be the dog tired guy on the
>> bicycle :-P
> Have fun. Bikes farkin rock :o)
Ouch. Ouch. Ouch (I'm _sitting down_ while typing this, need I say more?)
210km down, lots more to go. Need a new rear wheel and some new tires,
otherwise I'm doing great.
We'll jump off that bridge when we get there.