26 Jul
2005
26 Jul
'05
7:16 p.m.
It's time to get started on some more work. I mentioned yesterday that I
had an idea for something that might bring in a couple of more
programmers. Apoligies in advance for stepping on anyones toes here, but
I think we've been a bit too silent lately. And that isn't good in the
long run...
The idea is this:
Construct a proper dependency graph for OO.org, and then use this to
construct an "enabling end-products" graph. I'm not sure what to call
it, but I basically mean taking the dependecies we have in OO.org, and
figuring out what other useful and/or cool pieces of software will be
that much closer to a port if/when each dependency is taken care of.
That way both we and people who come across some kind of source they
want to port will know where to start.
I'm thinking of doing it as a graphical diagram as well as a relational
database (because I do both of those things a lot already). That way you
could search in the database for a piece of software to see what
dependencies there are and if anyone is working on them, or search for a
dependency and see how useful it is.
Does it sound useful? I think it would make it a lot easier for people
like Captain Moo Moo and Joppe, who were both looking for projects to
feed to students. Just putting all of them into the OO.org pool would be
too much noise and not enough gain, but splitting them into teams to
tackle smaller (but still important) parts of the project or even build
other projects on top of our dependencies to extend the software base of
the Amiga would be great.
So we need to concentrate more on those dependencies. I know Henning has
spent a shitload of time on this already, I would actually like to know
at this point who _is a programmer_ and _has some time this coming
weekend_ (and if yes on both points, _when_). Yes, an IRC schedule. We
won't be needing non-programmers, but an hour or two of nitty gritty
code reviews and notes taken which can be built into a database would be
a good place to start if we want to attract some more attention. For
one, it would serve as a kind of "progress report" to the outside world.
I'll be sketching down the outline of a database tomorrow, if any
programmers has some free time between friday evening and monday
morning, european time, send me a PRIVATE EMAIL with the fixed
world-clock time ( http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html )
like this:
start: url-specifying-start-of-period
stop: url-specifying-end-of-period
repeat for each period
If you have better ideas for scheduling practices, please make note of
them IN ADDITION to following my wish. At least this once, we'll see if
we use your ideas in the future, ok? :-)
And I repeat, we really only need people who can go over code/search
elsewhere to look for obvious dependencies. I'm sure we won't find all
dependecies (and their order/structure, which is just as important) just
yet, but maybe we can start filling in something.
It would be awesome if someone could find a member of an existing oo.org
porting project team and get some input there. That would actually help
a lot.
Of course, if people choose to ignore my idea then that is perfectly
acceptable, but I hope I'll then at least get a response indicating that
the email has been read but the idea rejected. Even though it ended up
as a rather long email in the end...
--
We'll double-cross that bridge when we get there.
26 Jul
26 Jul
8:21 p.m.
Hi there.
I think a visual graph like you described here is a great idea. Some might
not think so..depends on the background I guess :-). But in my expeirence,
such a tool is the best TODO list you can have. Not to mention it makes it
visually much easier to manage priorities as well.
I think it's a grand idea. Especially to give a quick outlook of what's
there and what's not as well as make it easy for new comoers to see what's
involved in the project and what we're waiting on next or what could get
worked on independantly of other major engines. so to speak.
So you definitialy have my vote on this idea :-). And you're right. those
long time stretches without anything happening or being said don't help a
project get help from other people :-).
Excellent initiative.
Stephane Richard
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From: "Ole-Egil Hvitmyren" <olegil(a)samfundet.no>
To: "Effort to port OpenOffice.org to AmigaOS4"
<openoffice-os4(a)samfundet.no>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 1:16 PM
Subject: [OO.org-OS4] That idea I had.
It's time to get started on some more work. I
mentioned yesterday that I
had an idea for something that might bring in a couple of more
programmers. Apoligies in advance for stepping on anyones toes here, but I
think we've been a bit too silent lately. And that isn't good in the long
run...
The idea is this:
Construct a proper dependency graph for OO.org, and then use this to
construct an "enabling end-products" graph. I'm not sure what to call it,
but I basically mean taking the dependecies we have in OO.org, and
figuring out what other useful and/or cool pieces of software will be that
much closer to a port if/when each dependency is taken care of. That way
both we and people who come across some kind of source they want to port
will know where to start.
I'm thinking of doing it as a graphical diagram as well as a relational
database (because I do both of those things a lot already). That way you
could search in the database for a piece of software to see what
dependencies there are and if anyone is working on them, or search for a
dependency and see how useful it is.
Does it sound useful? I think it would make it a lot easier for people
like Captain Moo Moo and Joppe, who were both looking for projects to feed
to students. Just putting all of them into the OO.org pool would be too
much noise and not enough gain, but splitting them into teams to tackle
smaller (but still important) parts of the project or even build other
projects on top of our dependencies to extend the software base of the
Amiga would be great.
So we need to concentrate more on those dependencies. I know Henning has
spent a shitload of time on this already, I would actually like to know at
this point who _is a programmer_ and _has some time this coming weekend_
(and if yes on both points, _when_). Yes, an IRC schedule. We won't be
needing non-programmers, but an hour or two of nitty gritty code reviews
and notes taken which can be built into a database would be a good place
to start if we want to attract some more attention. For one, it would
serve as a kind of "progress report" to the outside world.
I'll be sketching down the outline of a database tomorrow, if any
programmers has some free time between friday evening and monday morning,
european time, send me a PRIVATE EMAIL with the fixed world-clock time (
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html )
like this:
start: url-specifying-start-of-period
stop: url-specifying-end-of-period
repeat for each period
If you have better ideas for scheduling practices, please make note of
them IN ADDITION to following my wish. At least this once, we'll see if we
use your ideas in the future, ok? :-)
And I repeat, we really only need people who can go over code/search
elsewhere to look for obvious dependencies. I'm sure we won't find all
dependecies (and their order/structure, which is just as important) just
yet, but maybe we can start filling in something.
It would be awesome if someone could find a member of an existing oo.org
porting project team and get some input there. That would actually help a
lot.
Of course, if people choose to ignore my idea then that is perfectly
acceptable, but I hope I'll then at least get a response indicating that
the email has been read but the idea rejected. Even though it ended up as
a rather long email in the end...
--
We'll double-cross that bridge when we get there.
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8:39 p.m.
Hi Ole-Egil,
First of all, thanks for your report on the show. It was a fun read :-).
As for the graph & database, good ideas. If you want a 2nd opinion on your
DB-design (not doubting your skills, but some people like 2nd opinions ;-)
), I should have some time over the weekend although I'm flying out again
Sunday afternoon.
One question concerning Captain Moo Moo & Joppe: did they state any
requirements in order to be able to have students do projects that may be
beneficial to us? (Like us providing project definitions/goals for
instance?)
Kind regards,
Rincewynd / Peter
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9:16 p.m.
On Mar 26 juillet 2005 20:39, Peter Molenaar a écrit :
Hi Ole-Egil,
First of all, thanks for your report on the show. It was a fun read :-).
I'm saving it up for when I get another A1 installed (probably tomorrow,
but we've been promised storms, so no electronics).
Could those going to Boinged in Belgium please confirm their presence to
Simon Vergauwen mailto:Simon@Amigaclub.Be who appears to be going slowly
mad trying to get everything organised. Heigh ho, life is but a box of
wormgears.
One question concerning Captain Moo Moo & Joppe:
did they state any
requirements in order to be able to have students do projects that may be
beneficial to us? (Like us providing project definitions/goals for
instance?)
Well, Captain Moo Moo's got his µA1-C, so that's the first hurdle over.
--
Rose Humphrey
Amont Informatique
France
11:55 p.m.
Hello Ole-Egil
It's time to get started on some more work. I
mentioned yesterday that I
had an idea for something that might bring in a couple of more
programmers. Apoligies in advance for stepping on anyones toes here, but
I think we've been a bit too silent lately. And that isn't good in the
long run...
The idea is this:
[...]
It sounds like a good idea... I will need to pack my AmigaOne down
tomorrow, and it will first be able to get unpacked again on august 20th,
where we are going to get our new house.
I will tomorrow try to see if I can make an as complete as possible list
of what is needed by OpenOffice.org, where to find it, what it does and so
on... I know we have something like this, but there is something that we
didn't get totally right at the first run. I will try to see if I can make
something usefull tomorrow...
I will not be able to code anything till after august 20th (and then I
will be beginning at a new education, so I will not be sure how much time
I will get :-( ), but I do have a large part of libsane and libgphoto2,
that I will need to finish when I get the time.
I guess that I will only be able to make the update in an email tomorrow,
but that should also be usefull.
--
best regards,
hnl_dk - Henning Nielsen Lund
28 Jul
28 Jul
7:24 a.m.
Would an automated "dependency tree" based from a Source based
Linux installation be of any use in doing any of this ?
Curious,
Belxjander
On Tue, 2005-26-07 at 19:16 +0200, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren wrote:
It's time to get started on some more work. I
mentioned yesterday that I
had an idea for something that might bring in a couple of more
programmers. Apoligies in advance for stepping on anyones toes here, but
I think we've been a bit too silent lately. And that isn't good in the
long run...
The idea is this:
Construct a proper dependency graph for OO.org, and then use this to
construct an "enabling end-products" graph. I'm not sure what to call
it, but I basically mean taking the dependecies we have in OO.org, and
figuring out what other useful and/or cool pieces of software will be
that much closer to a port if/when each dependency is taken care of.
That way both we and people who come across some kind of source they
want to port will know where to start.
I'm thinking of doing it as a graphical diagram as well as a relational
database (because I do both of those things a lot already). That way you
could search in the database for a piece of software to see what
dependencies there are and if anyone is working on them, or search for a
dependency and see how useful it is.
Does it sound useful? I think it would make it a lot easier for people
like Captain Moo Moo and Joppe, who were both looking for projects to
feed to students. Just putting all of them into the OO.org pool would be
too much noise and not enough gain, but splitting them into teams to
tackle smaller (but still important) parts of the project or even build
other projects on top of our dependencies to extend the software base of
the Amiga would be great.
So we need to concentrate more on those dependencies. I know Henning has
spent a shitload of time on this already, I would actually like to know
at this point who _is a programmer_ and _has some time this coming
weekend_ (and if yes on both points, _when_). Yes, an IRC schedule. We
won't be needing non-programmers, but an hour or two of nitty gritty
code reviews and notes taken which can be built into a database would be
a good place to start if we want to attract some more attention. For
one, it would serve as a kind of "progress report" to the outside world.
I'll be sketching down the outline of a database tomorrow, if any
programmers has some free time between friday evening and monday
morning, european time, send me a PRIVATE EMAIL with the fixed
world-clock time ( http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html )
like this:
start: url-specifying-start-of-period
stop: url-specifying-end-of-period
repeat for each period
If you have better ideas for scheduling practices, please make note of
them IN ADDITION to following my wish. At least this once, we'll see if
we use your ideas in the future, ok? :-)
And I repeat, we really only need people who can go over code/search
elsewhere to look for obvious dependencies. I'm sure we won't find all
dependecies (and their order/structure, which is just as important) just
yet, but maybe we can start filling in something.
It would be awesome if someone could find a member of an existing oo.org
porting project team and get some input there. That would actually help
a lot.
Of course, if people choose to ignore my idea then that is perfectly
acceptable, but I hope I'll then at least get a response indicating that
the email has been read but the idea rejected. Even though it ended up
as a rather long email in the end...
Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
27 Jul
27 Jul
7:32 p.m.
I would most certainly think so....gets update everytime something changes
automatically? That would be grand :-).
Stephane Richard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Belxjander Serechai" <belxjander_serechai(a)yahoo.co.nz>
To: "Effort to port OpenOffice.org to AmigaOS4"
<openoffice-os4(a)samfundet.no>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: [OO.org-OS4] That idea I had.
Would an automated "dependency tree" based from a Source based
Linux installation be of any use in doing any of this ?
Curious,
Belxjander
On Tue, 2005-26-07 at 19:16 +0200, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren wrote:
It's time to get started on some more work. I
mentioned yesterday that I
had an idea for something that might bring in a couple of more
programmers. Apoligies in advance for stepping on anyones toes here, but
I think we've been a bit too silent lately. And that isn't good in the
long run...
The idea is this:
Construct a proper dependency graph for OO.org, and then use this to
construct an "enabling end-products" graph. I'm not sure what to call
it, but I basically mean taking the dependecies we have in OO.org, and
figuring out what other useful and/or cool pieces of software will be
that much closer to a port if/when each dependency is taken care of.
That way both we and people who come across some kind of source they
want to port will know where to start.
I'm thinking of doing it as a graphical diagram as well as a relational
database (because I do both of those things a lot already). That way you
could search in the database for a piece of software to see what
dependencies there are and if anyone is working on them, or search for a
dependency and see how useful it is.
Does it sound useful? I think it would make it a lot easier for people
like Captain Moo Moo and Joppe, who were both looking for projects to
feed to students. Just putting all of them into the OO.org pool would be
too much noise and not enough gain, but splitting them into teams to
tackle smaller (but still important) parts of the project or even build
other projects on top of our dependencies to extend the software base of
the Amiga would be great.
So we need to concentrate more on those dependencies. I know Henning has
spent a shitload of time on this already, I would actually like to know
at this point who _is a programmer_ and _has some time this coming
weekend_ (and if yes on both points, _when_). Yes, an IRC schedule. We
won't be needing non-programmers, but an hour or two of nitty gritty
code reviews and notes taken which can be built into a database would be
a good place to start if we want to attract some more attention. For
one, it would serve as a kind of "progress report" to the outside world.
I'll be sketching down the outline of a database tomorrow, if any
programmers has some free time between friday evening and monday
morning, european time, send me a PRIVATE EMAIL with the fixed
world-clock time ( http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html )
like this:
start: url-specifying-start-of-period
stop: url-specifying-end-of-period
repeat for each period
If you have better ideas for scheduling practices, please make note of
them IN ADDITION to following my wish. At least this once, we'll see if
we use your ideas in the future, ok? :-)
And I repeat, we really only need people who can go over code/search
elsewhere to look for obvious dependencies. I'm sure we won't find all
dependecies (and their order/structure, which is just as important) just
yet, but maybe we can start filling in something.
It would be awesome if someone could find a member of an existing oo.org
porting project team and get some input there. That would actually help
a lot.
Of course, if people choose to ignore my idea then that is perfectly
acceptable, but I hope I'll then at least get a response indicating that
the email has been read but the idea rejected. Even though it ended up
as a rather long email in the end...
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28 Jul
28 Jul
10:11 a.m.
SourceMage Gnu/linux "gaze" tool includes full dependancy information...
and I can automate a bash script to run dependency information...
or allow an ssh login... but I can't have ssh or leave the machine
actively online as much as I would like :/
Belxjander
On Wed, 2005-27-07 at 13:32 -0400, stephane richard wrote:
I would most certainly think so....gets update
everytime something changes
automatically? That would be grand :-).
Stephane Richard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Belxjander Serechai" <belxjander_serechai(a)yahoo.co.nz>
To: "Effort to port OpenOffice.org to AmigaOS4"
<openoffice-os4(a)samfundet.no>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: [OO.org-OS4] That idea I had.
Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
Would an automated "dependency tree" based from a Source based
Linux installation be of any use in doing any of this ?
Curious,
Belxjander
On Tue, 2005-26-07 at 19:16 +0200, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren wrote:
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https://lists.samfundet.no/mailman/listinfo/openoffice-os4 It's time to get started on some more work. I
mentioned yesterday that I
had an idea for something that might bring in a couple of more
programmers. Apoligies in advance for stepping on anyones toes here, but
I think we've been a bit too silent lately. And that isn't good in the
long run...
The idea is this:
Construct a proper dependency graph for OO.org, and then use this to
construct an "enabling end-products" graph. I'm not sure what to call
it, but I basically mean taking the dependecies we have in OO.org, and
figuring out what other useful and/or cool pieces of software will be
that much closer to a port if/when each dependency is taken care of.
That way both we and people who come across some kind of source they
want to port will know where to start.
I'm thinking of doing it as a graphical diagram as well as a relational
database (because I do both of those things a lot already). That way you
could search in the database for a piece of software to see what
dependencies there are and if anyone is working on them, or search for a
dependency and see how useful it is.
Does it sound useful? I think it would make it a lot easier for people
like Captain Moo Moo and Joppe, who were both looking for projects to
feed to students. Just putting all of them into the OO.org pool would be
too much noise and not enough gain, but splitting them into teams to
tackle smaller (but still important) parts of the project or even build
other projects on top of our dependencies to extend the software base of
the Amiga would be great.
So we need to concentrate more on those dependencies. I know Henning has
spent a shitload of time on this already, I would actually like to know
at this point who _is a programmer_ and _has some time this coming
weekend_ (and if yes on both points, _when_). Yes, an IRC schedule. We
won't be needing non-programmers, but an hour or two of nitty gritty
code reviews and notes taken which can be built into a database would be
a good place to start if we want to attract some more attention. For
one, it would serve as a kind of "progress report" to the outside world.
I'll be sketching down the outline of a database tomorrow, if any
programmers has some free time between friday evening and monday
morning, european time, send me a PRIVATE EMAIL with the fixed
world-clock time ( http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html )
like this:
start: url-specifying-start-of-period
stop: url-specifying-end-of-period
repeat for each period
If you have better ideas for scheduling practices, please make note of
them IN ADDITION to following my wish. At least this once, we'll see if
we use your ideas in the future, ok? :-)
And I repeat, we really only need people who can go over code/search
elsewhere to look for obvious dependencies. I'm sure we won't find all
dependecies (and their order/structure, which is just as important) just
yet, but maybe we can start filling in something.
It would be awesome if someone could find a member of an existing oo.org
porting project team and get some input there. That would actually help
a lot.
Of course, if people choose to ignore my idea then that is perfectly
acceptable, but I hope I'll then at least get a response indicating that
the email has been read but the idea rejected. Even though it ended up
as a rather long email in the end...
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27 Jul
27 Jul
10:34 p.m.
SourceMage Gnu/linux "gaze" tool includes
full dependancy information...
and I can automate a bash script to run dependency information...
Great :-D
If You make this, then I will try to comment this dependency information :-)
I have done some work, but it is very big... It would be more easy if You
could make this first step ;-)
or allow an ssh login... but I can't have ssh or leave the machine
actively online as much as I would like :/
Ok... When we get this info, I would like to comment it, as soon as I get
online again...
I have "lost" my AmigaOne for now (am using the notebook of my wife), and
am loosing my internet connection this weekend :-(
I will try to assamble some of the information that I have made so far,
and send it later tonight, or at latest this weekend.
Belxjander
On Wed, 2005-27-07 at 13:32 -0400, stephane richard wrote:
--
best regards,
hnl_dk - Henning Nielsen Lund
I would most certainly think so....gets update
everytime something
changes
automatically? That would be grand :-).
Stephane Richard
----- Original Message -----
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To: "Effort to port OpenOffice.org to AmigaOS4"
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Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:24 AM
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Would an automated "dependency tree" based from a Source based
Linux installation be of any use in doing any of this ?
Curious,
Belxjander
On Tue, 2005-26-07 at 19:16 +0200, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren wrote:
> It's time to get started on some more work. I mentioned yesterday
that I
> had an idea for something that might bring in
a couple of more
> programmers. Apoligies in advance for stepping on anyones toes here,
but
> I think we've been a bit too silent
lately. And that isn't good in
the
> long run...
>
> The idea is this:
> Construct a proper dependency graph for OO.org, and then use this to
> construct an "enabling end-products" graph. I'm not sure what to call
> it, but I basically mean taking the dependecies we have in OO.org,
and
> figuring out what other useful and/or cool
pieces of software will be
> that much closer to a port if/when each dependency is taken care of.
> That way both we and people who come across some kind of source they
> want to port will know where to start.
>
> I'm thinking of doing it as a graphical diagram as well as a
relational
> database (because I do both of those things a
lot already). That way
you
> could search in the database for a piece of
software to see what
> dependencies there are and if anyone is working on them, or search
for a
> dependency and see how useful it is.
>
> Does it sound useful? I think it would make it a lot easier for
people
> like Captain Moo Moo and Joppe, who were both
looking for projects to
> feed to students. Just putting all of them into the OO.org pool would
be
> too much noise and not enough gain, but
splitting them into teams to
> tackle smaller (but still important) parts of the project or even
build
> other projects on top of our dependencies to
extend the software base
of
> the Amiga would be great.
>
> So we need to concentrate more on those dependencies. I know Henning
has
> spent a shitload of time on this already, I
would actually like to
know
> at this point who _is a programmer_ and _has
some time this coming
> weekend_ (and if yes on both points, _when_). Yes, an IRC schedule.
We
> won't be needing non-programmers, but an
hour or two of nitty gritty
> code reviews and notes taken which can be built into a database would
be
> a good place to start if we want to attract
some more attention. For
> one, it would serve as a kind of "progress report" to the outside
world.
>
> I'll be sketching down the outline of a database tomorrow, if any
> programmers has some free time between friday evening and monday
> morning, european time, send me a PRIVATE EMAIL with the fixed
> world-clock time (
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html )
>
> like this:
> start: url-specifying-start-of-period
> stop: url-specifying-end-of-period
>
> repeat for each period
>
> If you have better ideas for scheduling practices, please make note
of
> them IN ADDITION to following my wish. At
least this once, we'll see
if
> we use your ideas in the future, ok? :-)
>
> And I repeat, we really only need people who can go over code/search
> elsewhere to look for obvious dependencies. I'm sure we won't find
all
> dependecies (and their order/structure, which
is just as important)
just
> yet, but maybe we can start filling in
something.
>
> It would be awesome if someone could find a member of an existing
oo.org
> porting project team and get some input
there. That would actually
help
> a lot.
>
> Of course, if people choose to ignore my idea then that is perfectly
> acceptable, but I hope I'll then at least get a response indicating
that
> the email has been read but the idea
rejected. Even though it ended
up
as a
rather long email in the end...
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Hi all,
If this helps, here ya go. It's gentoo, but done in a second, and
should match the base dependencies for OO fairly quickly.
Ignore the entry for portage and debian-utils...
(and no making fun of the machine name, it's a Dell(!!!)
wegster@dude ~/work $ equery depgraph openoffice-bin
[ Searching for packages matching openoffice-bin... ]
* dependency graph for app-office/openoffice-bin-1.1.4-r1
`-- app-office/openoffice-bin-1.1.4-r1
`-- sys-libs/glibc-2.3.5 (virtual/libc) [ !app-office/openoffice ]
`-- sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.6.11-r2 (virtual/os-headers)
`-- sys-devel/gettext-0.14.4
`-- dev-lang/perl-5.8.6-r5
`-- sys-devel/libperl-5.8.6-r1
`-- sys-libs/db-4.2.52_p2
`-- dev-lang/tcl-8.4.9
`-- dev-java/blackdown-jre-1.4.2.02 (virtual/jre) [ java ]
`-- dev-java/java-config-1.2.11
`-- dev-lang/python-2.3.5 (virtual/python)
`-- sys-libs/zlib-1.2.3
`-- dev-lang/tk-8.4.9
`-- sys-apps/sed-4.1.4
`-- sys-apps/portage-2.0.51.22-r2
`-- dev-python/python-fchksum-1.7.1
`-- sys-apps/debianutils-2.13.1-r1
`-- app-shells/bash-3.0-r12
`-- sys-apps/sandbox-1.2.11
`-- x11-base/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r2 (virtual/x11)
`-- sys-devel/flex-2.5.4a-r5
`-- dev-libs/expat-1.95.8
`-- media-libs/freetype-2.1.10
`-- media-libs/fontconfig-2.2.3
`-- x11-base/opengl-update-2.2.1
`-- app-arch/bzip2-1.0.3-r4
`-- x11-misc/ttmkfdir-3.0.9-r3
`-- media-libs/libpng-1.2.8
`-- sys-libs/ncurses-5.4-r6
`-- sys-libs/gpm-1.20.1-r4
`-- sys-libs/readline-5.0-r2
`-- sys-libs/gdbm-1.8.3-r1
`-- dev-libs/openssl-0.9.7e-r1
`-- dev-python/python-docs-2.3.5
`-- app-arch/zip-2.3-r4
`-- app-arch/unzip-5.50-r2
Scott
Henning Nielsen Lund wrote:
SourceMage
Gnu/linux "gaze" tool includes full dependancy information...
and I can automate a bash script to run dependency information...
Great :-D
If You make this, then I will try to comment this dependency information :-)
I have done some work, but it is very big... It would be more easy if You
could make this first step ;-)
or allow an ssh login... but I can't have ssh
or leave the machine
actively online as much as I would like :/
Ok... When we get this info, I would like to comment it, as soon as I get
online again...
I have "lost" my AmigaOne for now (am using the notebook of my wife), and
am loosing my internet connection this weekend :-(
I will try to assamble some of the information that I have made so far,
and send it later tonight, or at latest this weekend.
Belxjander
On Wed, 2005-27-07 at 13:32 -0400, stephane richard wrote:
I would most certainly think so....gets update
everytime something
changes
automatically? That would be grand :-).
Stephane Richard
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Would an automated "dependency tree"
based from a Source based
Linux installation be of any use in doing any of this ?
Curious,
Belxjander
On Tue, 2005-26-07 at 19:16 +0200, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren wrote:
>It's time to get started on some more work. I mentioned yesterday
that I
>had an idea for something that might bring in
a couple of more
>programmers. Apoligies in advance for stepping on anyones toes here,
but
>I think we've been a bit too silent
lately. And that isn't good in
the
>long run...
>
>The idea is this:
>Construct a proper dependency graph for OO.org, and then use this to
>construct an "enabling end-products" graph. I'm not sure what to call
>it, but I basically mean taking the dependecies we have in OO.org,
and
>figuring out what other useful and/or cool
pieces of software will be
>that much closer to a port if/when each dependency is taken care of.
>That way both we and people who come across some kind of source they
>want to port will know where to start.
>
>I'm thinking of doing it as a graphical diagram as well as a
relational
>database (because I do both of those things a
lot already). That way
you
>could search in the database for a piece of
software to see what
>dependencies there are and if anyone is working on them, or search
for a
>dependency and see how useful it is.
>
>Does it sound useful? I think it would make it a lot easier for
people
>like Captain Moo Moo and Joppe, who were both
looking for projects to
>feed to students. Just putting all of them into the OO.org pool would
be
>too much noise and not enough gain, but
splitting them into teams to
>tackle smaller (but still important) parts of the project or even
build
>other projects on top of our dependencies to
extend the software base
of
>the Amiga would be great.
>
>So we need to concentrate more on those dependencies. I know Henning
has
>spent a shitload of time on this already, I
would actually like to
know
>at this point who _is a programmer_ and _has
some time this coming
>weekend_ (and if yes on both points, _when_). Yes, an IRC schedule.
We
>won't be needing non-programmers, but an
hour or two of nitty gritty
>code reviews and notes taken which can be built into a database would
be
>a good place to start if we want to attract
some more attention. For
>one, it would serve as a kind of "progress report" to the outside
world.
>I'll be sketching down the outline of a
database tomorrow, if any
>programmers has some free time between friday evening and monday
>morning, european time, send me a PRIVATE EMAIL with the fixed
>world-clock time (
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html )
>like this:
>start: url-specifying-start-of-period
>stop: url-specifying-end-of-period
>
>repeat for each period
>
>If you have better ideas for scheduling practices, please make note
of
>them IN ADDITION to following my wish. At
least this once, we'll see
if
>we use your ideas in the future, ok? :-)
>
>And I repeat, we really only need people who can go over code/search
>elsewhere to look for obvious dependencies. I'm sure we won't find
all
>dependecies (and their order/structure, which
is just as important)
just
>yet, but maybe we can start filling in
something.
>
>It would be awesome if someone could find a member of an existing
oo.org
>porting project team and get some input there.
That would actually
help
>a lot.
>
>Of course, if people choose to ignore my idea then that is perfectly
>acceptable, but I hope I'll then at least get a response indicating
that
>the email has been read but the idea rejected.
Even though it ended
up
>as a rather long email in the end...
>
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Hi all,
If this helps, here ya go. It's gentoo, but done in a second, and
should match the base dependencies for OO fairly quickly.
Sorry, but we are going to port OOo2 (at the moment OOo 1.9.x), looks like
this is 1.1.4 ;-)
What I have done so far is to download the OOo2 cvs... have written down
every head directory from OOo2 * (see below)... Have had a look at the
configuration files, to have an idea of for what things are going to get
used (but it is very big - I have not yet written this down, but have it
in my head - will check it again, when I will write everything down)...
Have been Checking websites, to see what things are, where to get them,
and what it is used for...
If I could get some sort of dependency list for OOo2(beta), would I like
to make a list of what things are used for, where to get it (some external
libraries are very much patched by OOo, and the patch is included directly
into the OOo CVS), if they should be used for the Amiga port, and what
they may be able to be used for... I will update the list when I have
something finished, but it could take some weeks after I have got the
dependency list, till I will be able to finish my document (as I might be
totally without internet until august 20th. and have a lot to do after
that day).
*The main directory of OOo2 (CVS from yesterday):
Accessibility
Animations
Autodoc
Automation
Avmedia
Basctl
Basegfx
Basic
Bean
Beanshell
Berkeleydb
Binfilter
Bitstream_vera_fonts
Boost
Bridges
Canvas
Chart2
Cli_ure
Codemaker
Comphelper
Configmgr
Config_office
Connectivity
Cosv
Cppcanvas
Cppu
Cppuhelper
Cpputools
Crashrep
Curl
Dbaccess
Default_images
Desktop
Dictionaries
Dmake
Dtrans
Embeddedobj
Embedserv
Epm
Eventattacher
Expat
Extensions
External
Extras
Fileaccess
Filter
Forms
Fpicker
Framework
Freetype
Goodies
Helpcontent2
Hsqldb
Hwpfilter
I18npool
I18nutil
Icu
Idl
Idlc
Instsetoo_native
Io
Javaunohelper
Jpeg
Jurt
Jut
Jvmaccess
Jvmfwk
Libwpd
Libxml2
Libxmlsec
Lingucomponent
Linguistic
MathMLDTD
Moz
Msfontextract
Nas
Neon
Netbeans_integration
Np_sdk
Odk
Offapi
Officecfg
Offuh
Ooo_custom_images
Package
Padmin
Portaudio
Postprocess
Psprint
Psprint_config
Python
Pyuno
QadevOOo
Rdbmaker
Readlicense_oo
Regexp
Registry
Remotebridges
Rhino
Ridljar
Rsc
Rvpapi
Sablot
Sal
Salhelper
Sandbox
Sane
Sax
Sc
Scaddins
Sch
Scp2
Scripting
Sd
Sdk_oo
Setup_native
Sfx2
Shell
Sj2
Slideshow
Smoketestoo_native
Sndfile
So3
Solenv
Soltools
Sot
Starmath
Stlport
Stoc
Store
Svtools
Svx
Sw
Sysui
Testshl
Testshl2
Testtools
Toolkit
Tools
Transex3
Twain
Ucb
Ucbhelper
Udkapi
Udm
UnixODBC
UnoControls
Unoil
Unotools
Unoxml
Unzip
Ure
Uui
Vcl
Vos
Wizards
Writerperfect
X11_extensions
Xalan
Xmerge
Xml2cmp
Xmlhelp
Xmloff
Xmlscript
XmlSearch
Xmlsecurity
Zlib
Ignore the entry for portage and debian-utils...
(and no making fun of the machine name, it's a Dell(!!!)
wegster@dude ~/work $ equery depgraph openoffice-bin
[ Searching for packages matching openoffice-bin... ]
* dependency graph for app-office/openoffice-bin-1.1.4-r1
`-- app-office/openoffice-bin-1.1.4-r1
`-- sys-libs/glibc-2.3.5 (virtual/libc) [ !app-office/openoffice ]
`-- sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.6.11-r2 (virtual/os-headers)
`-- sys-devel/gettext-0.14.4
`-- dev-lang/perl-5.8.6-r5
`-- sys-devel/libperl-5.8.6-r1
`-- sys-libs/db-4.2.52_p2
`-- dev-lang/tcl-8.4.9
`-- dev-java/blackdown-jre-1.4.2.02 (virtual/jre) [ java ]
`-- dev-java/java-config-1.2.11
`-- dev-lang/python-2.3.5 (virtual/python)
`-- sys-libs/zlib-1.2.3
`-- dev-lang/tk-8.4.9
`-- sys-apps/sed-4.1.4
`-- sys-apps/portage-2.0.51.22-r2
`-- dev-python/python-fchksum-1.7.1
`-- sys-apps/debianutils-2.13.1-r1
`-- app-shells/bash-3.0-r12
`-- sys-apps/sandbox-1.2.11
`-- x11-base/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r2 (virtual/x11)
`-- sys-devel/flex-2.5.4a-r5
`-- dev-libs/expat-1.95.8
`-- media-libs/freetype-2.1.10
`-- media-libs/fontconfig-2.2.3
`-- x11-base/opengl-update-2.2.1
`-- app-arch/bzip2-1.0.3-r4
`-- x11-misc/ttmkfdir-3.0.9-r3
`-- media-libs/libpng-1.2.8
`-- sys-libs/ncurses-5.4-r6
`-- sys-libs/gpm-1.20.1-r4
`-- sys-libs/readline-5.0-r2
`-- sys-libs/gdbm-1.8.3-r1
`-- dev-libs/openssl-0.9.7e-r1
`-- dev-python/python-docs-2.3.5
`-- app-arch/zip-2.3-r4
`-- app-arch/unzip-5.50-r2
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hnl_dk - Henning Nielsen Lund
SourceMage
Gnu/linux "gaze" tool includes full dependancy information...
and I can automate a bash script to run dependency information...
Great :-D
If You make this, then I will try to comment this dependency information
:-)
I have done some work, but it is very big... It would be more easy if
You
could make this first step ;-)
or allow an ssh login... but I can't have ssh
or leave the machine
actively online as much as I would like :/
Ok... When we get this info, I would like to comment it, as soon as I
get
online again...
I have "lost" my AmigaOne for now (am using the notebook of my wife),
and
am loosing my internet connection this weekend :-(
I will try to assamble some of the information that I have made so far,
and send it later tonight, or at latest this weekend.
Belxjander
On Wed, 2005-27-07 at 13:32 -0400, stephane richard wrote:
I would most certainly think so....gets update
everytime something
changes
automatically? That would be grand :-).
Stephane Richard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Belxjander Serechai" <belxjander_serechai(a)yahoo.co.nz>
To: "Effort to port OpenOffice.org to AmigaOS4"
<openoffice-os4(a)samfundet.no>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: [OO.org-OS4] That idea I had.
>Would an automated "dependency tree" based from a Source based
> Linux installation be of any use in doing any of this ?
>
>Curious,
> Belxjander
>
>On Tue, 2005-26-07 at 19:16 +0200, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren wrote:
>
>>It's time to get started on some more work. I mentioned yesterday
that I
>>had an idea for something that might bring in a couple of more
>>programmers. Apoligies in advance for stepping on anyones toes here,
but
>>I think we've been a bit too silent lately. And that isn't good in
the
>>long run...
>>
>>The idea is this:
>>Construct a proper dependency graph for OO.org, and then use this to
>>construct an "enabling end-products" graph. I'm not sure what to
call
>>it, but I basically mean taking the dependecies we have in OO.org,
and
>>figuring out what other useful and/or cool pieces of software will be
>>that much closer to a port if/when each dependency is taken care of.
>>That way both we and people who come across some kind of source they
>>want to port will know where to start.
>>
>>I'm thinking of doing it as a graphical diagram as well as a
relational
>>database (because I do both of those things a lot already). That way
you
>>could search in the database for a piece of software to see what
>>dependencies there are and if anyone is working on them, or search
for a
>>dependency and see how useful it is.
>>
>>Does it sound useful? I think it would make it a lot easier for
people
>>like Captain Moo Moo and Joppe, who were both looking for projects to
>>feed to students. Just putting all of them into the OO.org pool would
be
>>too much noise and not enough gain, but splitting them into teams to
>>tackle smaller (but still important) parts of the project or even
build
>>other projects on top of our dependencies to extend the software base
of
>>the Amiga would be great.
>>
>>So we need to concentrate more on those dependencies. I know Henning
has
>>spent a shitload of time on this already, I would actually like to
know
>>at this point who _is a programmer_ and _has some time this coming
>>weekend_ (and if yes on both points, _when_). Yes, an IRC schedule.
We
>>won't be needing non-programmers, but an hour or two of nitty gritty
>>code reviews and notes taken which can be built into a database would
be
>>a good place to start if we want to attract some more attention. For
>>one, it would serve as a kind of "progress report" to the outside
world.
>>I'll be sketching down the outline of a database tomorrow, if any
>>programmers has some free time between friday evening and monday
>>morning, european time, send me a PRIVATE EMAIL with the fixed
>>world-clock time (
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html )
>>like this:
>>start: url-specifying-start-of-period
>>stop: url-specifying-end-of-period
>>
>>repeat for each period
>>
>>If you have better ideas for scheduling practices, please make note
of
>>them IN ADDITION to following my wish. At least this once, we'll see
if
>>we use your ideas in the future, ok? :-)
>>
>>And I repeat, we really only need people who can go over code/search
>>elsewhere to look for obvious dependencies. I'm sure we won't find
all
>>dependecies (and their order/structure, which is just as important)
just
>>yet, but maybe we can start filling in something.
>>
>>It would be awesome if someone could find a member of an existing
oo.org
>>porting project team and get some input there. That would actually
help
>>a lot.
>>
>>Of course, if people choose to ignore my idea then that is perfectly
>>acceptable, but I hope I'll then at least get a response indicating
that
>>the email has been read but the idea rejected. Even though it ended
up
>>as a rather long email in the end...
>>
>
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28 Jul
10:40 a.m.
Okay then... Email an outline of what is needed and I can do dated
snapshots of the dependency tree along with give
requirements for the scripting itself to function for what is needed
SourceMage package management "sorcery" package scripting is pure bash
and doesn't require all that much to run on "other" distributions
also has a PPC branch... so once I finally get my own hands on an A1
I'll be installing a HDD with SourceMage side by side with AOS4 just for
some source access :)
On Wed, 2005-27-07 at 22:34 +0200, Henning Nielsen Lund wrote:
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SourceMage
Gnu/linux "gaze" tool includes full dependancy information...
and I can automate a bash script to run dependency information...
Great :-D
If You make this, then I will try to comment this dependency information :-)
I have done some work, but it is very big... It would be more easy if You
could make this first step ;-)
or allow an ssh login... but I can't have ssh or leave the machine
actively online as much as I would like :/
Ok... When we get this info, I would like to comment it, as soon as I get
online again...
I have "lost" my AmigaOne for now (am using the notebook of my wife), and
am loosing my internet connection this weekend :-(
I will try to assamble some of the information that I have made so far,
and send it later tonight, or at latest this weekend.
Belxjander
On Wed, 2005-27-07 at 13:32 -0400, stephane richard wrote:
I would most certainly think so....gets update
everytime something
changes
automatically? That would be grand :-).
Stephane Richard
----- Original Message -----
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To: "Effort to port OpenOffice.org to AmigaOS4"
<openoffice-os4(a)samfundet.no>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:24 AM
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Would an automated "dependency tree" based from a Source based
Linux installation be of any use in doing any of this ?
Curious,
Belxjander
On Tue, 2005-26-07 at 19:16 +0200, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren wrote:
> It's time to get started on some more work. I mentioned yesterday
that I
> had an idea for something that might bring in
a couple of more
> programmers. Apoligies in advance for stepping on anyones toes here,
but
> I think we've been a bit too silent
lately. And that isn't good in
the
> long run...
>
> The idea is this:
> Construct a proper dependency graph for OO.org, and then use this to
> construct an "enabling end-products" graph. I'm not sure what to call
> it, but I basically mean taking the dependecies we have in OO.org,
and
> figuring out what other useful and/or cool
pieces of software will be
> that much closer to a port if/when each dependency is taken care of.
> That way both we and people who come across some kind of source they
> want to port will know where to start.
>
> I'm thinking of doing it as a graphical diagram as well as a
relational
> database (because I do both of those things a
lot already). That way
you
> could search in the database for a piece of
software to see what
> dependencies there are and if anyone is working on them, or search
for a
> dependency and see how useful it is.
>
> Does it sound useful? I think it would make it a lot easier for
people
> like Captain Moo Moo and Joppe, who were both
looking for projects to
> feed to students. Just putting all of them into the OO.org pool would
be
> too much noise and not enough gain, but
splitting them into teams to
> tackle smaller (but still important) parts of the project or even
build
> other projects on top of our dependencies to
extend the software base
of
> the Amiga would be great.
>
> So we need to concentrate more on those dependencies. I know Henning
has
> spent a shitload of time on this already, I
would actually like to
know
> at this point who _is a programmer_ and _has
some time this coming
> weekend_ (and if yes on both points, _when_). Yes, an IRC schedule.
We
> won't be needing non-programmers, but an
hour or two of nitty gritty
> code reviews and notes taken which can be built into a database would
be
> a good place to start if we want to attract
some more attention. For
> one, it would serve as a kind of "progress report" to the outside
world.
>
> I'll be sketching down the outline of a database tomorrow, if any
> programmers has some free time between friday evening and monday
> morning, european time, send me a PRIVATE EMAIL with the fixed
> world-clock time (
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html )
>
> like this:
> start: url-specifying-start-of-period
> stop: url-specifying-end-of-period
>
> repeat for each period
>
> If you have better ideas for scheduling practices, please make note
of
> them IN ADDITION to following my wish. At
least this once, we'll see
if
> we use your ideas in the future, ok? :-)
>
> And I repeat, we really only need people who can go over code/search
> elsewhere to look for obvious dependencies. I'm sure we won't find
all
> dependecies (and their order/structure, which
is just as important)
just
> yet, but maybe we can start filling in
something.
>
> It would be awesome if someone could find a member of an existing
oo.org
> porting project team and get some input
there. That would actually
help
> a lot.
>
> Of course, if people choose to ignore my idea then that is perfectly
> acceptable, but I hope I'll then at least get a response indicating
that
> the email has been read but the idea
rejected. Even though it ended
up
> as a rather long email in the end...
>
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10:41 p.m.
SourceMage Gnu/linux "gaze" tool includes
full dependancy information...
and I can automate a bash script to run dependency information...
And a little question... do you know if it is going to include functions
(so we can check how many functions we need to implement - that are not
part of clib2 or newlib)?
or allow an ssh login... but I can't have ssh or leave the machine
actively online as much as I would like :/
Belxjander
On Wed, 2005-27-07 at 13:32 -0400, stephane richard wrote:
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I would most certainly think so....gets update
everytime something
changes
automatically? That would be grand :-).
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Would an automated "dependency tree" based from a Source based
Linux installation be of any use in doing any of this ?
Curious,
Belxjander
On Tue, 2005-26-07 at 19:16 +0200, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren wrote:
> It's time to get started on some more work. I mentioned yesterday
that I
> had an idea for something that might bring in
a couple of more
> programmers. Apoligies in advance for stepping on anyones toes here,
but
> I think we've been a bit too silent
lately. And that isn't good in
the
> long run...
>
> The idea is this:
> Construct a proper dependency graph for OO.org, and then use this to
> construct an "enabling end-products" graph. I'm not sure what to call
> it, but I basically mean taking the dependecies we have in OO.org,
and
> figuring out what other useful and/or cool
pieces of software will be
> that much closer to a port if/when each dependency is taken care of.
> That way both we and people who come across some kind of source they
> want to port will know where to start.
>
> I'm thinking of doing it as a graphical diagram as well as a
relational
> database (because I do both of those things a
lot already). That way
you
> could search in the database for a piece of
software to see what
> dependencies there are and if anyone is working on them, or search
for a
> dependency and see how useful it is.
>
> Does it sound useful? I think it would make it a lot easier for
people
> like Captain Moo Moo and Joppe, who were both
looking for projects to
> feed to students. Just putting all of them into the OO.org pool would
be
> too much noise and not enough gain, but
splitting them into teams to
> tackle smaller (but still important) parts of the project or even
build
> other projects on top of our dependencies to
extend the software base
of
> the Amiga would be great.
>
> So we need to concentrate more on those dependencies. I know Henning
has
> spent a shitload of time on this already, I
would actually like to
know
> at this point who _is a programmer_ and _has
some time this coming
> weekend_ (and if yes on both points, _when_). Yes, an IRC schedule.
We
> won't be needing non-programmers, but an
hour or two of nitty gritty
> code reviews and notes taken which can be built into a database would
be
> a good place to start if we want to attract
some more attention. For
> one, it would serve as a kind of "progress report" to the outside
world.
>
> I'll be sketching down the outline of a database tomorrow, if any
> programmers has some free time between friday evening and monday
> morning, european time, send me a PRIVATE EMAIL with the fixed
> world-clock time (
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html )
>
> like this:
> start: url-specifying-start-of-period
> stop: url-specifying-end-of-period
>
> repeat for each period
>
> If you have better ideas for scheduling practices, please make note
of
> them IN ADDITION to following my wish. At
least this once, we'll see
if
> we use your ideas in the future, ok? :-)
>
> And I repeat, we really only need people who can go over code/search
> elsewhere to look for obvious dependencies. I'm sure we won't find
all
> dependecies (and their order/structure, which
is just as important)
just
> yet, but maybe we can start filling in
something.
>
> It would be awesome if someone could find a member of an existing
oo.org
> porting project team and get some input
there. That would actually
help
> a lot.
>
> Of course, if people choose to ignore my idea then that is perfectly
> acceptable, but I hope I'll then at least get a response indicating
that
> the email has been read but the idea
rejected. Even though it ended
up
as a
rather long email in the end...
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10:53 p.m.
Hi Henning,
Henning Nielsen Lund wrote:
And a little question... do you know if it is going to
include functions
(so we can check how many functions we need to implement - that are not
part of clib2 or newlib)?
Ouch. You want a call stack graph, or similar. I'd be impressed if the
other tool does that, considering it's spanning languages..hekc, I'd
just be impressed, we'll leave it at that.
I also sent the last email prior to reading this one, so not sure if the
'base' dependencies list was useful or not. If not, sorry, back to lurk
mode I go :-(
Scott
11:06 p.m.
Hi Henning,
Hi' Scott
Henning Nielsen Lund wrote:
I don't know what the other tool does, but I hope that it is able to do it
;-)
And a little question... do you know if it is
going to include functions
(so we can check how many functions we need to implement - that are not
part of clib2 or newlib)?
Ouch. You want a call stack graph, or similar. I'd be impressed if the
other tool does that, considering it's spanning languages..hekc, I'd
just be impressed, we'll leave it at that. I also sent the last email prior to reading this one,
so not sure if the
'base' dependencies list was useful or not. If not, sorry, back to lurk
mode I go :-(
no problem, if You could get OOo2 beta for gentoo and make the same with
that, could it be usefull ;-)
Scott
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11:44 p.m.
Hi Henning,
Henning Nielsen Lund wrote:
Belx just claimed he can do it, although I took a quick look at the
mentioned tool. I seem to remember talking to someone about that Linux
distro (SourceMage) in AW IRC...the mentioned tool looks like a
combination of gentoo portage + portage tools from the brief look at it
I took.
Regarding newlib/clib2 dependencies (to Belxjander), I'd expect any sort
of call stack the shrunk down to a single instance of functions used in
glibc would be ideal, if you're able to do it...preferably with their
prototypes (why not hope for it 'all'? ;-), at which point the mentioned
comparison/verification of implemented functions can be checked against
AOS newlib or clib2. Not to mention the fact that in worst case, man
pages and Linux docs are easily enough accessible, versus trying to
build the tool on top of newlib.
Yes, that would be good. I even knew that (OOo 2). Sorry, I'm a dork,
I'll see if I can get that tonight.
Scott
Hi Henning,
Hi' Scott
Henning Nielsen Lund wrote:
I don't know what the other tool does, but I hope that it is able to do it
;-) And a little question... do you know if it is
going to include functions
(so we can check how many functions we need to implement - that are not
part of clib2 or newlib)?
Ouch. You want a call stack graph, or similar. I'd be impressed if the
other tool does that, considering it's spanning languages..hekc, I'd
just be impressed, we'll leave it at that. I also sent the last email prior to reading this
one, so not sure if the
'base' dependencies list was useful or not. If not, sorry, back to lurk
mode I go :-(
no problem, if You could get OOo2 beta for gentoo and make the same with
that, could it be usefull ;-) Scott
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28 Jul
11:56 a.m.
Sppliced into the quoted...see more inserts :)
On Wed, 2005-27-07 at 17:44 -0400, Scott W wrote:
Yes, that would be good. I even knew that (OOo 2). Sorry, I'm a dork,
I'll see if I can get that tonight.
Scott
I also need the OOo2 beta dataset to work from the "configure" mechanism
included to start with as well...
otherwise I can only work from what little dependencies I can reference
as on the websites "cvs2web" access... which may be a bit much time to
spend online all at once ... Ive already overloaded this little
laptops HDD somewhat completely already...
just considering wiping a whole 20GB partition already just to have
space for working with...
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Hi Henning,
Henning Nielsen Lund wrote:
Belx just claimed he can do it, although I took a quick look at the
mentioned tool. I seem to remember talking to someone about that Linux
distro (SourceMage) in AW IRC...the mentioned tool looks like a
combination of gentoo portage + portage tools from the brief look at it
I took.
I can only but try...
Hi
Henning,
Hi' Scott
Henning Nielsen Lund wrote:
I don't know what the other tool does, but I hope that it is able to do it
;-) And a little question... do you know if it is
going to include functions
(so we can check how many functions we need to implement - that are not
part of clib2 or newlib)?
Ouch. You want a call stack graph, or similar. I'd be impressed if the
other tool does that, considering it's spanning languages..hekc, I'd
just be impressed, we'll leave it at that. Regarding newlib/clib2 dependencies (to Belxjander),
I'd expect any sort
of call stack the shrunk down to a single instance of functions used in
glibc would be ideal, if you're able to do it...preferably with their
prototypes (why not hope for it 'all'? ;-), at which point the mentioned
comparison/verification of implemented functions can be checked against
AOS newlib or clib2. Not to mention the fact that in worst case, man
pages and Linux docs are easily enough accessible, versus trying to
build the tool on top of newlib.
so going right down to exported functions in shared objects would
be a nice start?
I also sent the last email prior to reading this
one, so not sure if the
'base' dependencies list was useful or not. If not, sorry, back to lurk
mode I go :-(
no problem, if You could get OOo2 beta for gentoo and make the same with
that, could it be usefull ;-)
11:09 a.m.
I can include functions if I extend past gaze and check additional
information... since I can create a list of binary objects installed
along with other objects installed and check the file type and respond
with full ldd information from the install log entries that respond as
"executable" object type...
how much information is needed as it'll be a toshiba tecra laptop
On Wed, 2005-27-07 at 16:53 -0400, Scott W wrote:
Hi Henning,
Henning Nielsen Lund wrote:
And a little question... do you know if it is going to include functions
(so we can check how many functions we need to implement - that are not
part of clib2 or newlib)?
thats why I asked for a template outline...
but it would all be "glibc" c library linkage... not
"newlib"/"clib2"
as I am entirely unsure how that differs from the above
I can only work from the installed system I am using unfortunately
Ouch. You want a call stack graph, or similar.
I'd be impressed if the
other tool does that, considering it's spanning languages..hekc, I'd
just be impressed, we'll leave it at that.
I also sent the last email prior to reading this one, so not sure if the
'base' dependencies list was useful or not. If not, sorry, back to lurk
mode I go :-(
I can do things graphically if I spend a bit more time...
otherwise i will have to do a whole folder tree and seperate text
information by what is needed so rather a LOT of generated data
(Im already running seriously short on diskspace as-is)
so ... needing to get offline for now and also needing a clear idea...
will get replies later when I get back online...
as soon as I see a template
I can do a package level graphic... including version change tracking
as well if needed over time...
additionally I can also throw in information about installed packages
on this laptop as well...
would need to rebuild sourcemage on top of newlib/clib2 instead of glibc
to have portability to AmigaOS sped up...
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10:54 a.m.
Belxjander Serechai wrote:
Would an automated "dependency tree" based
from a Source based
Linux installation be of any use in doing any of this ?
Don't forget we also need the internal dependencies, because there are a
multitude of libraries and applications included as source code in the
OO.org source tree. These won't be listed as dependencies since the
source is "self contained", but they still need to be ported.
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We'll double-cross that bridge when we get there.
29 Jul
29 Jul
12:05 a.m.
On Thu, 2005-28-07 at 10:54 +0200, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren wrote:
Belxjander Serechai wrote:
thats why I referenced usage of the configure scripting to breakdown the
Makefiles generated and possibly making an "alternate" that created
depends information
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Would an automated "dependency tree"
based from a Source based
Linux installation be of any use in doing any of this ?
Don't forget we also need the internal dependencies, because there are a
multitude of libraries and applications included as source code in the
OO.org source tree. These won't be listed as dependencies since the
source is "self contained", but they still need to be ported.
5 Aug
5 Aug
3:37 p.m.
Op 26-jul-05, om 19:16 heeft Ole-Egil Hvitmyren het volgende geschreven:
I think you're idea is most excellent... If you need anything
(webspace, sql dbase) let me know.
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