February 2005 - Openoffice-os4 - Studentersamfundet

CSH status update.
by Peter Bengtsson 05 Apr '05

05 Apr '05

After installing gcc-3.4.0 and configuring it to use clib2 (with a severely kludged specs file), I have now tried to compile every source file in the tcsh source distribution as a quick way to determine the feasibility of porting it. I am happy to write that with a few exception it seems the tcsh source is _relatively_ portable. The main areas which seem to need a bit of work are the following: * termios * missing signals * resource limits * multi-user support * fork()/vfork() Of these, only the missing signals and fork()/vfork() appears to pose any significant problem and as a positive side-effect, we might contribute further to the development of clib2 (just an idea). The ixemul-compiled tcsh binary is extremely unstable on my machine and crashes randomly, usually in less than 15 seconds. It does, however, appear to handle csh scripts - which the older csh implementation did not (it only handled a subset). Unfortunately, this still does not indicate if it would be easier to write our own intepreter or not. -Peter aka. Archprogrammer, still investigating. PS: If this is uninteresting, just tell me and I will stop posting status updates here. Reality is for people who cannot face ScienceFiction. Only lefthanded people are in their right minds.

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aspell
by Christophe Ochal 05 Mar '05

05 Mar '05

Hello, Paul, did you get the chance to put your aspell sources on the cvs yet? I just checked & couldn't find them If cvs is a problem, archive & mail them please. Kind regards -- I think that God in creating man somewhat overestimated his ability. -- Oscar Wilde Amon_Re Christophe Ochal Hoge Buizemont 168 9500 Geraardsbergen, Belgium Mobile: 0032 (0)479/46 45 74 http://www.kefren.be http://www.metalfest.be

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Status update (NAS).
by Peter Bengtsson 28 Feb '05

28 Feb '05

To appease Christophe (and everyone else), here is a quick update. Work on NAS has been stalled for the last couple of days due to (other) work and feeble attempts at having a life, but has now resumed. I am currently alternating on one hand implementing missing functions in the c-library and on the other hand thinking about how to handle the dependencies on X11. In other words. Work moves forward, albeit slowly. -Peter aka. Archprogrammer Reality is for people who cannot face ScienceFiction. Only lefthanded people are in their right minds.

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Weeky Meeting
by Mark bond 23 Feb '05

23 Feb '05

The Weekly meeting is at 19:30 onwards (GMT) on irc.amigaworld.net port 6667 #openoffice. This is the place to discuss any issues with the tasks you are undertaking, to ask for help in realtime and to provide updates to the rest of the team. All updates should be logged in the dev.amigaworld.net site so we can track progress. If you cant make the meeting, pelase send an update to this list and/or add it to the dev.amigaworld.net site. As a reminder we have teh following tasks/projects and their respective programmers: autoconf: Siegel automake: Siegel BerkleyDB: Amon_Re/tonyw libusb wrapper: rwo csh: juergen aspell: bean NAS: Archprogrammer We have had no updates for autoconf/automake and berkleyDB in a while (and no progress listed under the dev.amigaworld.net site). Could all relevant people provide an update please (even if its just to say you havent had time to work/look at it). Many Thanks Mark

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Status reports
by Christophe Ochal 17 Feb '05

17 Feb '05

Hello, After all the tumult with the sites we had last week(s) i was wondering what the current status is of the aspell port, the libusb progress, the depenency checks... Basicly, i want some feedback ;) Oh, and i'd like to see the aspell code in the CVS server :) Kind regards -- Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. -- Albert Einstein Amon_Re Christophe Ochal Hoge Buizemont 168 9500 Geraardsbergen, Belgium Mobile: 0032 (0)479/46 45 74 http://www.kefren.be http://www.metalfest.be

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Olegil's head is missing!
by Christophe Ochal 14 Feb '05

14 Feb '05

Hello, Seems that the link **http://84.234.219.218/openoffice/* *is dead, changed IP? Kind regards -- Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint. -- Mark Twain Amon_Re Christophe Ochal Hoge Buizemont 168 9500 Geraardsbergen, Belgium Mobile: 0032 (0)479/46 45 74 http://www.kefren.be http://www.metalfest.be

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unsubscribe
by Al Nickelson 08 Feb '05

08 Feb '05

Please, if you will, unsuscribe me from your email copy service. I suscribed by mistake thinking it was another source. Thank You al Nickelson

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Perl Dependancy
by Mark bond 08 Feb '05

08 Feb '05

There was a message posted on the IBrowse mailing list that holds some information that I think is usefull to this project: message here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ibrowse/message/12294 Basically saying that Stefan and Andrija have been working on AmiSSL3 for 68k and OS4 but that it required perl which in turn requires ixemul, and that they have had to "sort it out" for OS4, whether this means that perl has been ported (using ixemul) for OS4 or straight to OS4 I dont know, but it does seem likely that Perl is available (or will be shortly) for OS4, and perl is a requirement for OpenOffice.org. It would be good if we can get confirmation of this (Rogue/Entilzha)? Thanks Mark

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Re: Interview for AmigaFuture magazine
by Christophe Ochal 07 Feb '05

07 Feb '05

Hello Christian On 02/02/2005, you wrote: > > Hi, > > thanks for your willingness to answer some questions. So off we go: > > 1. Mr Ochal, please introduce yourself to our readers. What has been > your role in the Amiga community so far? Well, as you know, my name is Christophe Ochal, also known as Amon_Re on various websites, my involvement with the Amiga goes back a long time, in the early nineties i think, and i was involved, amongst others, with the Belgian Amiga club 'Waaslandia'. During this involvement i have aided in Amiga shows in Germany, United Kingdom and Belgium. My role in those days was mostly technical (repairs and such). After the collapse of Amiga's second coming, and the removal of Jim Collas, the club did collapse, and my activity was reduced greatly, thankfully, i never lost my fascination with AmigaOS. It was only when Hyperion announced that they were going to do AmigaOS 4 that my involvement with the community picked up again, and now i'm doing my best to support the community in any way i can. The things i am doing are: - http://amigadev.amigaworld.net A support site for Amiga developers where they can find documentation and help from other developers, this site is simular to utilitybase, and me and Nicolas get along great, there's no power struggle involved ;) - OpenOffice.org: This is the big one, it's probably the largest open source effort ever on our platform, hopefully we can pull it off. - GCC installers and tools This is a simple GeekGadgets installer suite. > 2. Who had initially the idea of porting OpenOffice to the AmigaOS Well, OpenOffice for AmigaOS has been a fantasy for many people, dating back to several years ago, but the recent activity was started by EnthilZa (Thomas Frieden) in a thread on amigaworld.net. From there on we took the initiative, and we got the ball rolling > environment? Who is involved and what role are Hyperion Entertainment > playing who announced the project on www.amiga-news.de? How many people > were you able to recruit to actively support this project? This question should be changed, as the person who posted about OOo on amiga-news.de wasn't related to Hyperion, also, there is no involvement from Hyperion in this project. There were two posts to amiga-news.de, one with the source "amigaworld.net" and one by Markus Weiss. We have over 70 people on the mailinglist, but at this moment most work is being done by a smaller team. I am involved as Project Manager, Peter Bengtsson is working on porting NAS (one of OOo's dependencies), Mark Bond is helping out with Project Management, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren is managing the mailinglist, aswell as hosting the OOo sources, Paul Heams is putting the finishing touches to his ASPELL port (another OOo dependency) Henning Nielsen Lund is also helping out with various build related tools, Tony Wyatt is working on Berkely DB (another dependency) and Rene Olsen is working on porting SANE, a scanner API. > 3. OpenOffice is HUGE. Considering the fact that other large software > projects like Amizilla or even Amiga OS 4 itself are progressing fairly > slowly: When will we see first results? Is this project feasible at > all? Will we see a full implementation of OOo or will it be a "light" > version of the package? The biggest part are all the dependencies, these need to be resolved before anything else can be done, as for making a "light" version, i don't think that's intresting. As for a time frame, it's impossible to give any guess, the work is huge, and we all have dayjobs, so it won't happen over night, so i guess it'll "when it's done". This is one of the reasons why we are targetting the more usefull dependencies first (like SANE and ASPELL), this will be usefull for the community, and will help us gain momentum and possibly even some extra coders. > 4. Will OpenOffice for Amiga OS4 be Open Source just like all other OOo > ports and available for free for all Amiga users? How is development > financed? There is no financing asof yet, we are all doing this without the intent of making any money out of it. The port will be free, as it is on all platforms, and the sources will remain open. Hosting of the site was kindly donated to us by David Doyle, and the sources will be hosted on http://www.sf.net > 5. What do your plans look like for the port? What project phases and > steps do you anticipate? What does the timeline look like? We are still working on going through the sources, trying to figure out how everything fits together, and some ports have already been started (ASPELL, SANE, NAS), basicly, what needs doing is this: - Examine all known & unknown dependencies - Examine available ports of said dependencies if they exist - Port the remaining dependencies - Recreate the build environment for eighter cross compilation or native - Port the remaining code - Debug This is a rough sketch of the work envolved, and several steps can be done in parrallel. There currently is no timeline. > 6. OOo relies partially on other technologies that AmigaOS 4 currently > doesn't have, e.g. Java. How do you cope with the OSes limitations? We are communicating weekly with the Jamiga team, and will also investigate kaffe. Luckally, OOo can be used without java, although some features won't work without it. > 7. Does this project make sense since we have quite good office related > applications already available on the Amiga (Papyrus Office and > Pagestream to name to most prominent)? OOo is in no way any competition for Papyrus and Pagestream, at this time it's best considered vapourware, it'll take alot of work to port it, and waiting for us to finish makes no sense. > Thank you very much for answering these questions. I'd be greatful if > you could write short paragraphs rather than just answering "yes" or > "no". I will need to translate your answers into German after I receive > them (unless you speak German yourself and would be able to answer > directly in German language). Alas, no, i don't master German enough to be able to actually write the language, but i would like to receive the translation prior to it being published, if that's not too much trouble. > The whole article including this interview is planned to be published > in the next AmigaFuture issue. Ok > Best regards > Christian Krenner > >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Christophe Ochal [mailto:ochal@kefren.be] >> Gesendet: Montag, 31. Januar 2005 20:04 >> An: Christian Krenner >> Betreff: Re: Interview for AmigaFuture magazine >> >> >> Hello Christian >> >> Dang, this makes it sound even more official now ;) Sure, i'm >> willing to awnser your questions, it's not that i have >> something to hide, just don't look in that closet behind me... >> >> Can not promise a swift reply tho, busy week shedule this week. >> >> On 31/01/2005, you wrote: >> >> > >> > Dear Mr Ochal, >> > >> > I received your email address from Thomas Frieden at Hyperion. I am >> > writing a report about the OpenOffice for Amiga OS4 project for the >> > German "AmigaFuture" print magazine and was wondering if you were >> > willing to answer a few questions regarding that project. Thomas >> > Frieden told me that you were project leading this project. >> > >> > Please let me know if you agree, I will then send you a couple of >> > questions by email. Of course please feel free to reconfirm >> this with >> > the editor in chief of AmigaFuture, Andreas Magerl >> > (andreas(a)amigafuture.de) >> > >> > Thank you very much in advance! >> > >> > Best regards >> > Christian Krenner >> > christian(a)amigafuture.de >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Regards >> -- >> Amon_Re >> Christophe Ochal >> Hoge Buizemont 168 >> 9500 Geraardsbergen, Belgium >> Mobile: 0032 (0)479/46 45 74 >> http://www.kefren.be >> http://www.metalfest.be >> > > > > Regards -- Amon_Re Christophe Ochal Hoge Buizemont 168 9500 Geraardsbergen, Belgium Mobile: 0032 (0)479/46 45 74 http://www.kefren.be http://www.metalfest.be

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Review: opinions please
by Christophe Ochal 07 Feb '05

07 Feb '05

Hello Christian On 02/02/2005, you wrote: > > Hi, > > thanks for your willingness to answer some questions. So off we go: > > 1. Mr Ochal, please introduce yourself to our readers. What has been > your role in the Amiga community so far? Well, as you know, my name is Christophe Ochal, also known as Amon_Re on various websites, my involvement with the Amiga goes back a long time, in the early nineties i think, and i was involved, amongst others, with the Belgian Amiga club 'Waaslandia'. During this involvement i have aided in Amiga shows in Germany, United Kingdom and Belgium. My role in those days was mostly technical (repairs and such). After the collapse of Amiga's second coming, and the removal of Jim Collas, the club did collapse, and my activity was reduced greatly, thankfully, i never lost my fascination with AmigaOS. It was only when Hyperion announced that they were going to do AmigaOS 4 that my involvement with the community picked up again, and now i'm doing my best to support the community in any way i can. The things i am doing are: - http://amigadev.amigaworld.net A support site for Amiga developers where they can find documentation and help from other developers, this site is simular to utilitybase, and me and Nicolas get along great, there's no power struggle involved ;) - OpenOffice.org: This is the big one, it's probably the largest open source effort ever on our platform, hopefully we can pull it off. - GCC installers and tools This is a simple GeekGadgets installer suite. > 2. Who had initially the idea of porting OpenOffice to the AmigaOS Well, OpenOffice for AmigaOS has been a fantasy for many people, dating back to several years ago, but the recent activity was started by EnthilZa (Thomas Frieden) in a thread on amigaworld.net. From there on we took the initiative, and we got the ball rolling > environment? Who is involved and what role are Hyperion Entertainment > playing who announced the project on www.amiga-news.de? How many people > were you able to recruit to actively support this project? Hyperion is more or less involved through the fact that OS4 and OOo share common coders, other then that there is no active involvement from Hyperion. We have over 70 people on the mailinglist, but at this moment most work is being done by a smaller team. I am involved as Project Manager, Peter Bengtsson is working on porting NAS (one of OOo's dependencies), Mark Bond is helping out with Project Management, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren is managing the mailinglist, aswell as hosting the OOo sources, Paul Heams is putting the finishing touches to his ASPELL port (another OOo dependency) Henning Nielsen Lund is also helping out with various build related tools, Tony Wyatt is working on Berkely DB (another dependency) and Andy Hall is working on porting SANE, a scanner API. > 3. OpenOffice is HUGE. Considering the fact that other large software > projects like Amizilla or even Amiga OS 4 itself are progressing fairly > slowly: When will we see first results? Is this project feasible at > all? Will we see a full implementation of OOo or will it be a "light" > version of the package? The biggest part are all the dependencies, these need to be resolved before anything else can be done, as for making a "light" version, i don't think that's intresting. As for a time frame, it's impossible to give any guess, the work is huge, and we all have dayjobs, so it won't happen over night, so i guess it'll "when it's done". This is one of the reasons why we are targetting the more usefull dependencies first (like SANE and ASPELL), this will be usefull for the community, and will help us gain momentum and possibly even some extra coders. > 4. Will OpenOffice for Amiga OS4 be Open Source just like all other OOo > ports and available for free for all Amiga users? How is development > financed? There is no financing asof yet, we are all doing this without the intent of making any money out of it. The port will be free, as it is on all platforms, and the sources will remain open. Hosting of the site was kindly donated to us by David Doyle, and the sources will be hosted on http://www.sf.net > 5. What do your plans look like for the port? What project phases and > steps do you anticipate? What does the timeline look like? We are still working on going through the sources, trying to figure out how everything fits together, and some ports have already been started (ASPELL, SANE, NAS), basicly, what needs doing is this: - Examine all known & unknown dependencies - Examine available ports of said dependencies if they exist - Port the remaining dependencies - Recreate the build environment for eighter cross compilation or native - Port the remaining code - Debug This is a rough sketch of the work envolved, and several steps can be done in parrallel. There currently is no timeline. > 6. OOo relies partially on other technologies that AmigaOS 4 currently > doesn't have, e.g. Java. How do you cope with the OSes limitations? We are communicating weekly with the Jamiga team, and will also investigate kaffe. Luckally, OOo can be used without java, although some features won't work without it. > 7. Does this project make sense since we have quite good office related > applications already available on the Amiga (Papyrus Office and > Pagestream to name to most prominent)? OOo is in no way any competition for Papyrus and Pagestream, at this time it's best considered vapourware, it'll take alot of work to port it, and waiting for us to finish makes no sense. > Thank you very much for answering these questions. I'd be greatful if > you could write short paragraphs rather than just answering "yes" or > "no". I will need to translate your answers into German after I receive > them (unless you speak German yourself and would be able to answer > directly in German language). > > The whole article including this interview is planned to be published > in the next AmigaFuture issue. > > Best regards > Christian Krenner > >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Christophe Ochal [mailto:ochal@kefren.be] >> Gesendet: Montag, 31. Januar 2005 20:04 >> An: Christian Krenner >> Betreff: Re: Interview for AmigaFuture magazine >> >> >> Hello Christian >> >> Dang, this makes it sound even more official now ;) Sure, i'm >> willing to awnser your questions, it's not that i have >> something to hide, just don't look in that closet behind me... >> >> Can not promise a swift reply tho, busy week shedule this week. >> >> On 31/01/2005, you wrote: >> >> > >> > Dear Mr Ochal, >> > >> > I received your email address from Thomas Frieden at Hyperion. I am >> > writing a report about the OpenOffice for Amiga OS4 project for the >> > German "AmigaFuture" print magazine and was wondering if you were >> > willing to answer a few questions regarding that project. Thomas >> > Frieden told me that you were project leading this project. >> > >> > Please let me know if you agree, I will then send you a couple of >> > questions by email. Of course please feel free to reconfirm >> this with >> > the editor in chief of AmigaFuture, Andreas Magerl >> > (andreas(a)amigafuture.de) >> > >> > Thank you very much in advance! >> > >> > Best regards >> > Christian Krenner >> > christian(a)amigafuture.de >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Regards >> -- >> Amon_Re >> Christophe Ochal >> Hoge Buizemont 168 >> 9500 Geraardsbergen, Belgium >> Mobile: 0032 (0)479/46 45 74 >> http://www.kefren.be >> http://www.metalfest.be >> > > > > Regards -- Amon_Re Christophe Ochal Hoge Buizemont 168 9500 Geraardsbergen, Belgium Mobile: 0032 (0)479/46 45 74 http://www.kefren.be http://www.metalfest.be

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