After installing gcc-3.4.0 and configuring it to use clib2
(with a severely kludged specs file), I have now tried to
compile every source file in the tcsh source distribution
as a quick way to determine the feasibility of porting it.
I am happy to write that with a few exception it seems the
tcsh source is _relatively_ portable. The main areas which seem
to need a bit of work are the following:
* termios
* missing signals
* resource limits
* multi-user support
* fork()/vfork()
Of these, only the missing signals and fork()/vfork() appears to
pose any significant problem and as a positive side-effect, we might
contribute further to the development of clib2 (just an idea).
The ixemul-compiled tcsh binary is extremely unstable on my machine
and crashes randomly, usually in less than 15 seconds. It does, however,
appear to handle csh scripts - which the older csh implementation did
not (it only handled a subset).
Unfortunately, this still does not indicate if it would be easier to
write our own intepreter or not.
-Peter aka. Archprogrammer, still investigating.
PS: If this is uninteresting, just tell me and I will stop
posting status updates here.
Reality is for people who cannot face ScienceFiction.
Only lefthanded people are in their right minds.
Hello,
Paul, did you get the chance to put your aspell sources on the cvs yet? I
just checked & couldn't find them
If cvs is a problem, archive & mail them please.
Kind regards
--
I think that God in creating man somewhat overestimated his ability.
-- Oscar Wilde
Amon_Re
Christophe Ochal
Hoge Buizemont 168
9500 Geraardsbergen, Belgium
Mobile: 0032 (0)479/46 45 74
http://www.kefren.behttp://www.metalfest.be
To appease Christophe (and everyone else), here is a quick
update.
Work on NAS has been stalled for the last couple of days due to
(other) work and feeble attempts at having a life, but has now
resumed. I am currently alternating on one hand implementing
missing functions in the c-library and on the other hand thinking
about how to handle the dependencies on X11.
In other words. Work moves forward, albeit slowly.
-Peter aka. Archprogrammer
Reality is for people who cannot face ScienceFiction.
Only lefthanded people are in their right minds.
The Weekly meeting is at 19:30 onwards (GMT) on irc.amigaworld.net port
6667 #openoffice. This is the place to discuss any issues with the tasks
you are undertaking, to ask for help in realtime and to provide updates
to the rest of the team. All updates should be logged in the
dev.amigaworld.net site so we can track progress. If you cant make the
meeting, pelase send an update to this list and/or add it to the
dev.amigaworld.net site. As a reminder we have teh following
tasks/projects and their respective programmers:
autoconf: Siegel
automake: Siegel
BerkleyDB: Amon_Re/tonyw
libusb wrapper: rwo
csh: juergen
aspell: bean
NAS: Archprogrammer
We have had no updates for autoconf/automake and berkleyDB in a while
(and no progress listed under the dev.amigaworld.net site). Could all
relevant people provide an update please (even if its just to say you
havent had time to work/look at it).
Many Thanks
Mark
Hello,
After all the tumult with the sites we had last week(s) i was wondering what
the current status is of the aspell port, the libusb progress, the
depenency checks...
Basicly, i want some feedback ;)
Oh, and i'd like to see the aspell code in the CVS server :)
Kind regards
--
Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen.
-- Albert Einstein
Amon_Re
Christophe Ochal
Hoge Buizemont 168
9500 Geraardsbergen, Belgium
Mobile: 0032 (0)479/46 45 74
http://www.kefren.behttp://www.metalfest.be
Hello,
Seems that the link **http://84.234.219.218/openoffice/* *is dead, changed
IP?
Kind regards
--
Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint.
-- Mark Twain
Amon_Re
Christophe Ochal
Hoge Buizemont 168
9500 Geraardsbergen, Belgium
Mobile: 0032 (0)479/46 45 74
http://www.kefren.behttp://www.metalfest.be
There was a message posted on the IBrowse mailing list that holds some
information that I think is usefull to this project:
message here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ibrowse/message/12294
Basically saying that Stefan and Andrija have been working on AmiSSL3
for 68k and OS4 but that it required perl which in turn requires ixemul,
and that they have had to "sort it out" for OS4, whether this means that
perl has been ported (using ixemul) for OS4 or straight to OS4 I dont
know, but it does seem likely that Perl is available (or will be
shortly) for OS4, and perl is a requirement for OpenOffice.org. It would
be good if we can get confirmation of this (Rogue/Entilzha)?
Thanks
Mark
Hello Christian
On 02/02/2005, you wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> thanks for your willingness to answer some questions. So off we go:
>
> 1. Mr Ochal, please introduce yourself to our readers. What has been
> your role in the Amiga community so far?
Well, as you know, my name is Christophe Ochal, also known as Amon_Re on
various websites, my involvement with the Amiga goes back a long time, in
the early nineties i think, and i was involved, amongst others, with the
Belgian Amiga club 'Waaslandia'. During this involvement i have aided in
Amiga shows in Germany, United Kingdom and Belgium.
My role in those days was mostly technical (repairs and such).
After the collapse of Amiga's second coming, and the removal of Jim Collas,
the club did collapse, and my activity was reduced greatly, thankfully, i
never lost my fascination with AmigaOS.
It was only when Hyperion announced that they were going to do AmigaOS 4
that my involvement with the community picked up again, and now i'm doing
my best to support the community in any way i can.
The things i am doing are:
- http://amigadev.amigaworld.net
A support site for Amiga developers where they can find documentation
and help from other developers, this site is simular to utilitybase, and me
and Nicolas get along great, there's no power struggle involved ;)
- OpenOffice.org:
This is the big one, it's probably the largest open source effort ever
on our platform, hopefully we can pull it off.
- GCC installers and tools
This is a simple GeekGadgets installer suite.
> 2. Who had initially the idea of porting OpenOffice to the AmigaOS
Well, OpenOffice for AmigaOS has been a fantasy for many people, dating back
to several years ago, but the recent activity was started by EnthilZa
(Thomas Frieden) in a thread on amigaworld.net.
From there on we took the initiative, and we got the ball rolling
> environment? Who is involved and what role are Hyperion Entertainment
> playing who announced the project on www.amiga-news.de? How many people
> were you able to recruit to actively support this project?
This question should be changed, as the person who posted about OOo on
amiga-news.de wasn't related to Hyperion, also, there is no involvement
from Hyperion in this project.
There were two posts to amiga-news.de, one with the source "amigaworld.net"
and one by Markus Weiss.
We have over 70 people on the mailinglist, but at this moment most work is
being done by a smaller team.
I am involved as Project Manager, Peter Bengtsson is working on porting NAS
(one of OOo's dependencies), Mark Bond is helping out with Project
Management, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren is managing the mailinglist, aswell as
hosting the OOo sources, Paul Heams is putting the finishing touches to his
ASPELL port (another OOo dependency) Henning Nielsen Lund is also helping
out with various build related tools, Tony Wyatt is working on Berkely DB
(another dependency) and Rene Olsen is working on porting SANE, a scanner
API.
> 3. OpenOffice is HUGE. Considering the fact that other large software
> projects like Amizilla or even Amiga OS 4 itself are progressing fairly
> slowly: When will we see first results? Is this project feasible at
> all? Will we see a full implementation of OOo or will it be a "light"
> version of the package?
The biggest part are all the dependencies, these need to be resolved before
anything else can be done, as for making a "light" version, i don't think
that's intresting.
As for a time frame, it's impossible to give any guess, the work is huge,
and we all have dayjobs, so it won't happen over night, so i guess it'll
"when it's done".
This is one of the reasons why we are targetting the more usefull
dependencies first (like SANE and ASPELL), this will be usefull for the
community, and will help us gain momentum and possibly even some extra
coders.
> 4. Will OpenOffice for Amiga OS4 be Open Source just like all other OOo
> ports and available for free for all Amiga users? How is development
> financed?
There is no financing asof yet, we are all doing this without the intent of
making any money out of it. The port will be free, as it is on all
platforms, and the sources will remain open. Hosting of the site was kindly
donated to us by David Doyle, and the sources will be hosted on
http://www.sf.net
> 5. What do your plans look like for the port? What project phases and
> steps do you anticipate? What does the timeline look like?
We are still working on going through the sources, trying to figure out how
everything fits together, and some ports have already been started (ASPELL,
SANE, NAS), basicly, what needs doing is this:
- Examine all known & unknown dependencies
- Examine available ports of said dependencies if they exist
- Port the remaining dependencies
- Recreate the build environment for eighter cross compilation or native
- Port the remaining code
- Debug
This is a rough sketch of the work envolved, and several steps can be done
in parrallel.
There currently is no timeline.
> 6. OOo relies partially on other technologies that AmigaOS 4 currently
> doesn't have, e.g. Java. How do you cope with the OSes limitations?
We are communicating weekly with the Jamiga team, and will also investigate
kaffe.
Luckally, OOo can be used without java, although some features won't work
without it.
> 7. Does this project make sense since we have quite good office related
> applications already available on the Amiga (Papyrus Office and
> Pagestream to name to most prominent)?
OOo is in no way any competition for Papyrus and Pagestream, at this time
it's best considered vapourware, it'll take alot of work to port it, and
waiting for us to finish makes no sense.
> Thank you very much for answering these questions. I'd be greatful if
> you could write short paragraphs rather than just answering "yes" or
> "no". I will need to translate your answers into German after I receive
> them (unless you speak German yourself and would be able to answer
> directly in German language).
Alas, no, i don't master German enough to be able to actually write the
language, but i would like to receive the translation prior to it being
published, if that's not too much trouble.
> The whole article including this interview is planned to be published
> in the next AmigaFuture issue.
Ok
> Best regards
> Christian Krenner
>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: Christophe Ochal [mailto:ochal@kefren.be]
>> Gesendet: Montag, 31. Januar 2005 20:04
>> An: Christian Krenner
>> Betreff: Re: Interview for AmigaFuture magazine
>>
>>
>> Hello Christian
>>
>> Dang, this makes it sound even more official now ;) Sure, i'm
>> willing to awnser your questions, it's not that i have
>> something to hide, just don't look in that closet behind me...
>>
>> Can not promise a swift reply tho, busy week shedule this week.
>>
>> On 31/01/2005, you wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Dear Mr Ochal,
>> >
>> > I received your email address from Thomas Frieden at Hyperion. I am
>> > writing a report about the OpenOffice for Amiga OS4 project for the
>> > German "AmigaFuture" print magazine and was wondering if you were
>> > willing to answer a few questions regarding that project. Thomas
>> > Frieden told me that you were project leading this project.
>> >
>> > Please let me know if you agree, I will then send you a couple of
>> > questions by email. Of course please feel free to reconfirm
>> this with
>> > the editor in chief of AmigaFuture, Andreas Magerl
>> > (andreas(a)amigafuture.de).
>> >
>> > Thank you very much in advance!
>> >
>> > Best regards
>> > Christian Krenner
>> > christian(a)amigafuture.de
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> Regards
>> --
>> Amon_Re
>> Christophe Ochal
>> Hoge Buizemont 168
>> 9500 Geraardsbergen, Belgium
>> Mobile: 0032 (0)479/46 45 74
>> http://www.kefren.be
>> http://www.metalfest.be
>>
>
>
>
>
Regards
--
Amon_Re
Christophe Ochal
Hoge Buizemont 168
9500 Geraardsbergen, Belgium
Mobile: 0032 (0)479/46 45 74
http://www.kefren.behttp://www.metalfest.be
Hello Christian
On 02/02/2005, you wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> thanks for your willingness to answer some questions. So off we go:
>
> 1. Mr Ochal, please introduce yourself to our readers. What has been
> your role in the Amiga community so far?
Well, as you know, my name is Christophe Ochal, also known as Amon_Re on
various websites, my involvement with the Amiga goes back a long time, in
the early nineties i think, and i was involved, amongst others, with the
Belgian Amiga club 'Waaslandia'. During this involvement i have aided in
Amiga shows in Germany, United Kingdom and Belgium.
My role in those days was mostly technical (repairs and such).
After the collapse of Amiga's second coming, and the removal of Jim Collas,
the club did collapse, and my activity was reduced greatly, thankfully, i
never lost my fascination with AmigaOS.
It was only when Hyperion announced that they were going to do AmigaOS 4
that my involvement with the community picked up again, and now i'm doing
my best to support the community in any way i can.
The things i am doing are:
- http://amigadev.amigaworld.net
A support site for Amiga developers where they can find documentation
and help from other developers, this site is simular to utilitybase, and me
and Nicolas get along great, there's no power struggle involved ;)
- OpenOffice.org:
This is the big one, it's probably the largest open source effort ever
on our platform, hopefully we can pull it off.
- GCC installers and tools
This is a simple GeekGadgets installer suite.
> 2. Who had initially the idea of porting OpenOffice to the AmigaOS
Well, OpenOffice for AmigaOS has been a fantasy for many people, dating back
to several years ago, but the recent activity was started by EnthilZa
(Thomas Frieden) in a thread on amigaworld.net.
From there on we took the initiative, and we got the ball rolling
> environment? Who is involved and what role are Hyperion Entertainment
> playing who announced the project on www.amiga-news.de? How many people
> were you able to recruit to actively support this project?
Hyperion is more or less involved through the fact that OS4 and OOo share
common coders, other then that there is no active involvement from
Hyperion.
We have over 70 people on the mailinglist, but at this moment most work is
being done by a smaller team.
I am involved as Project Manager, Peter Bengtsson is working on porting NAS
(one of OOo's dependencies), Mark Bond is helping out with Project
Management, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren is managing the mailinglist, aswell as
hosting the OOo sources, Paul Heams is putting the finishing touches to his
ASPELL port (another OOo dependency) Henning Nielsen Lund is also helping
out with various build related tools, Tony Wyatt is working on Berkely DB
(another dependency) and Andy Hall is working on porting SANE, a scanner
API.
> 3. OpenOffice is HUGE. Considering the fact that other large software
> projects like Amizilla or even Amiga OS 4 itself are progressing fairly
> slowly: When will we see first results? Is this project feasible at
> all? Will we see a full implementation of OOo or will it be a "light"
> version of the package?
The biggest part are all the dependencies, these need to be resolved before
anything else can be done, as for making a "light" version, i don't think
that's intresting.
As for a time frame, it's impossible to give any guess, the work is huge,
and we all have dayjobs, so it won't happen over night, so i guess it'll
"when it's done".
This is one of the reasons why we are targetting the more usefull
dependencies first (like SANE and ASPELL), this will be usefull for the
community, and will help us gain momentum and possibly even some extra
coders.
> 4. Will OpenOffice for Amiga OS4 be Open Source just like all other OOo
> ports and available for free for all Amiga users? How is development
> financed?
There is no financing asof yet, we are all doing this without the intent of
making any money out of it. The port will be free, as it is on all
platforms, and the sources will remain open. Hosting of the site was kindly
donated to us by David Doyle, and the sources will be hosted on
http://www.sf.net
> 5. What do your plans look like for the port? What project phases and
> steps do you anticipate? What does the timeline look like?
We are still working on going through the sources, trying to figure out how
everything fits together, and some ports have already been started (ASPELL,
SANE, NAS), basicly, what needs doing is this:
- Examine all known & unknown dependencies
- Examine available ports of said dependencies if they exist
- Port the remaining dependencies
- Recreate the build environment for eighter cross compilation or native
- Port the remaining code
- Debug
This is a rough sketch of the work envolved, and several steps can be done
in parrallel.
There currently is no timeline.
> 6. OOo relies partially on other technologies that AmigaOS 4 currently
> doesn't have, e.g. Java. How do you cope with the OSes limitations?
We are communicating weekly with the Jamiga team, and will also investigate
kaffe.
Luckally, OOo can be used without java, although some features won't work
without it.
> 7. Does this project make sense since we have quite good office related
> applications already available on the Amiga (Papyrus Office and
> Pagestream to name to most prominent)?
OOo is in no way any competition for Papyrus and Pagestream, at this time
it's best considered vapourware, it'll take alot of work to port it, and
waiting for us to finish makes no sense.
> Thank you very much for answering these questions. I'd be greatful if
> you could write short paragraphs rather than just answering "yes" or
> "no". I will need to translate your answers into German after I receive
> them (unless you speak German yourself and would be able to answer
> directly in German language).
>
> The whole article including this interview is planned to be published
> in the next AmigaFuture issue.
>
> Best regards
> Christian Krenner
>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: Christophe Ochal [mailto:ochal@kefren.be]
>> Gesendet: Montag, 31. Januar 2005 20:04
>> An: Christian Krenner
>> Betreff: Re: Interview for AmigaFuture magazine
>>
>>
>> Hello Christian
>>
>> Dang, this makes it sound even more official now ;) Sure, i'm
>> willing to awnser your questions, it's not that i have
>> something to hide, just don't look in that closet behind me...
>>
>> Can not promise a swift reply tho, busy week shedule this week.
>>
>> On 31/01/2005, you wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Dear Mr Ochal,
>> >
>> > I received your email address from Thomas Frieden at Hyperion. I am
>> > writing a report about the OpenOffice for Amiga OS4 project for the
>> > German "AmigaFuture" print magazine and was wondering if you were
>> > willing to answer a few questions regarding that project. Thomas
>> > Frieden told me that you were project leading this project.
>> >
>> > Please let me know if you agree, I will then send you a couple of
>> > questions by email. Of course please feel free to reconfirm
>> this with
>> > the editor in chief of AmigaFuture, Andreas Magerl
>> > (andreas(a)amigafuture.de).
>> >
>> > Thank you very much in advance!
>> >
>> > Best regards
>> > Christian Krenner
>> > christian(a)amigafuture.de
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> Regards
>> --
>> Amon_Re
>> Christophe Ochal
>> Hoge Buizemont 168
>> 9500 Geraardsbergen, Belgium
>> Mobile: 0032 (0)479/46 45 74
>> http://www.kefren.be
>> http://www.metalfest.be
>>
>
>
>
>
Regards
--
Amon_Re
Christophe Ochal
Hoge Buizemont 168
9500 Geraardsbergen, Belgium
Mobile: 0032 (0)479/46 45 74
http://www.kefren.behttp://www.metalfest.be
