Hi gang at Cheers! :-)
This one's very long, but I hope it's well worth the read. I'm feeling a bit "Swiss" today (I guess maybe you have to have read that Mars trilogy to get the full implication of that one ;-) , but let's just call it a non-nonsense get-the-job-done sort of mood).
Hello Andy
On 09/01/2005, you wrote:
Hello All,
On 9/1/05 1:15 am, "David Doyle" david@amigaworld.net wrote:
I agree we shouldn't use OpenOffice.org because not only is it the product name (which is fine), but it is also the domain name for the product. Imagine for example we have the domain name AmiOpenOffice.org or AmigaOpenOffice.org or whatever and the logo on this site is OpenOffice.org, this would look ridiculous and confusing.
What I find ridiculous is that we still haven't even began to form any kind of organisational structure, and yet the main topic of discussion is what the product that hasn't even been researched into yet is going to be called and what logo it'll have (or as is often the case for Amiga user "how are we going to shove a boing ball in there").
We really need to focus on the important things. Several people have pointed out the important stuff that needs to be sorted first, and suggested how to go about it. The name is just a name, it's really unimportant right now. Organisation and research, that's what needs to be done first (in that order). So could we please drop this superficial fluff for the moment and concentrate at the job in hand, I think that this stuff will fall into place naturally further down the line anyway.
I fear that a couple of days in we're heading the way of Amozilla :-o
Agreed.
I'm going to abuse my administrative powers a bit here and say that until we have set up the organizational structure, no other discussions are allowed except in threads marked "OT: Name" Now, about that IRC conference thingie. I suggest we plan at least two or three ahead, or we set up a regular meeting schedule. The latter is possibly the best way to do it, because then everyone knows there'll be people there from x to y in the morning and z to v in the afternoon. Outside these "business hours" pelple can discuss what they want, but when we have a prpr session, everything MUST be ON-TOPIC. ALL OFF-TOPIC discussions should take place in a social chatroom. This to make life easier for the poor bastard in charge of collecting the logs and extracting all the bits that are relevant (about that... I think this should be an official secretary/moderator position, and I am considering applying for it. Even though it is an important position, at least it's easily replaceable, so I shouldn't loose any sleep over it). All timestamps should be specified using World Clock, like this: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=1&day=9&y... Say we were to have an IRC session at 8PM UTC this evening, then everyone would know from the above link what this translates to in their local timezone. About the contacting we need to do with upstream: We now have a couple of candidates for leadership, let's have a vote (give us a deadline of say 24 hours to vote). The person who gets the head honcho position assembles the comittee (unless I misunderstood this) and contacts OO.org about the port. I'm on webmail, so don't have my 5 point list handy, but I think the idea was that after we have appointed head honcho, we agree on a few other key positions and start working. I would also like to take the time to suggest that someone who has done at least one port already writes down a few lines of typical obstacles in getting off the ground. We have a bunch of libraries and smaller tools that needs porting, and I'm thinking about things like "./configure" and so on. How do you do it on OS4? On OS3.9 I had pdksh... ;-) Once we start figuring out all the dependencies we should also think about searching for more people. If there are some who have no interest in getting OO.org ported, maybe there are more people like Claus Desler who have an interest in one or more libraries/tools we also need. If they can help with that specific part, then go their separate ways, fine. They'll get credit for that, and the Amiga scene will be a better place. I'm even desperate enough to say that even MorphOS/AROS developers are welcome to join if they wanna contribute to porting a library both they and we need. Many of the libraries involved would be beneficial on OS3.9 and downwards as well. PS: I almost suggested "Amiga Porting Effort: OpenOffice.org", because it makes such a nice acronym :-P ("ooh ooh" is pretty close to "ook ook" *hum*) PPS: apeoo.org is available as well :-D