Hello,
I'd like to discuss the following points at the comin IRC session(s):
1: The wiki on http://www.amigaopenoffice.org Suggestions/requests/comments 2: The commitee What tasks to devide, who can fill them 3: Contact with OOo Who has contacted who 4: Dependancies What do we have, what do we need.
Please provide feedback
Kind regards
Christophe Ochal wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to discuss the following points at the comin IRC session(s):
1: The wiki on http://www.amigaopenoffice.org Suggestions/requests/comments
@Björn I would like to be able to use my username ;-) Could You please set it up to accept "_" as in "hnl_dk".
2: The commitee What tasks to devide, who can fill them 3: Contact with OOo Who has contacted who
and maybe "who shall we contact".
4: Dependancies What do we have, what do we need.
Please provide feedback
Kind regards
Hello Henning
On 10/01/2005, you wrote:
Christophe Ochal wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to discuss the following points at the comin IRC session(s):
1: The wiki on http://www.amigaopenoffice.org Suggestions/requests/comments
@Björn I would like to be able to use my username ;-) Could You please set it up to accept "_" as in "hnl_dk".
DaveyD is doing that site, it might be alot of work to get mambo to accept '_' tho
2: The commitee What tasks to devide, who can fill them 3: Contact with OOo Who has contacted who
and maybe "who shall we contact".
Erm, right ;)
4: Dependancies What do we have, what do we need.
Please provide feedback
Kind regards
Regards
Christophe Ochal wrote:
Hello Henning
On 10/01/2005, you wrote:
Christophe Ochal wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to discuss the following points at the comin IRC session(s):
1: The wiki on http://www.amigaopenoffice.org Suggestions/requests/comments
@Björn I would like to be able to use my username ;-) Could You please set it up to accept "_" as in "hnl_dk".
DaveyD is doing that site, it might be alot of work to get mambo to accept '_' tho
oops, need to go to sleep (I knew, but...). Sorry David
2: The commitee What tasks to devide, who can fill them 3: Contact with OOo Who has contacted who
and maybe "who shall we contact".
Erm, right ;)
4: Dependancies What do we have, what do we need.
Please provide feedback
Kind regards
Regards
Hi Christophe,
On 10/01/2005, you wrote:
I'd like to discuss the following points at the comin IRC session(s):
1: The wiki on http://www.amigaopenoffice.org Suggestions/requests/comments 2: The commitee What tasks to devide, who can fill them 3: Contact with OOo Who has contacted who 4: Dependancies What do we have, what do we need.
Please provide feedback
Dependencies vary according to our approach to the problem. If we go straight towards the goal of producing an OOo version that will build and run on PPC OS4, then we will need many tools that we don't already have. On the other hand, if we start with a cross-compile (as I keep harping about), all the tools are already available for PPC Linux (on an A1, of course).
I haven't yet seen any mention/discussion/argument about which approach is better/more desirable/essential. I think this is a fundamental question that ought to be agreed on before the IRC meeting.
Maybe the answer is obvious and I missed it.
cheers
Hello Tony
On 10/01/2005, you wrote:
Hi Christophe,
On 10/01/2005, you wrote:
I'd like to discuss the following points at the comin IRC session(s):
1: The wiki on http://www.amigaopenoffice.org Suggestions/requests/comments 2: The commitee What tasks to devide, who can fill them 3: Contact with OOo Who has contacted who 4: Dependancies What do we have, what do we need.
Please provide feedback
Dependencies vary according to our approach to the problem. If we go straight towards the goal of producing an OOo version that will build and run on PPC OS4, then we will need many tools that we don't already have. On the other hand, if we start with a cross-compile (as I keep harping about), all the tools are already available for PPC Linux (on an A1, of course).
I haven't yet seen any mention/discussion/argument about which approach is better/more desirable/essential. I think this is a fundamental question that ought to be agreed on before the IRC meeting.
Actually, this is what i wanted to discuss on the meeting Offcourse, i'm willing to start on the ML with this aswell, because the fastest approuch will be the cross-compilation, but you'd still have dependencies even then, neon & aspell come to mind for example.
Regards
Christophe Ochal wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to discuss the following points at the comin IRC session(s):
1: The wiki on http://www.amigaopenoffice.org Suggestions/requests/comments 2: The commitee What tasks to devide, who can fill them 3: Contact with OOo Who has contacted who 4: Dependancies What do we have, what do we need.
Please provide feedback
Kind regards
We also need to discuss, project management (not who but techniques/software etc incl the dotproject software that Davey mentioned)
Mark
Hello,
On 11/1/05 9:44 am, "Mark bond" mark.icestar@clara.co.uk wrote:
We also need to discuss, project management (not who but techniques/software etc incl the dotproject software that Davey mentioned)
I agree with this however there's a bit of a catch 22 here because we really need to start an (organised official) dialogue with OO.o (through the PM), before we can be 100% concrete on what we're doing. For example we're not 100% sure on what tools we can have provided to us by OO.o, or how they manage the project overall. We will have to be compatible to a certain degree with how they do things. The more people look into stuff the more little nuances crop up.
There will probably have to be more talk than action for a while as things fall into place. I predict that there will be quite a few changes before we get into a position that we're comfortable with. I a bit worried that people might end up having to do more work than is necessary because they start on something before it's a cert and have to go back and start again.
Andy Hall wrote:
We also need to discuss, project management (not who but techniques/software etc incl the dotproject software that Davey mentioned)
I agree with this however there's a bit of a catch 22 here because we really need to start an (organised official) dialogue with OO.o (through the PM), before we can be 100% concrete on what we're doing. For example we're not 100% sure on what tools we can have provided to us by OO.o, or how they manage the project overall. We will have to be compatible to a certain degree with how they do things. The more people look into stuff the more little nuances crop up.
There will probably have to be more talk than action for a while as things fall into place. I predict that there will be quite a few changes before we get into a position that we're comfortable with. I a bit worried that people might end up having to do more work than is necessary because they start on something before it's a cert and have to go back and start again.
I agree, however I suspect that how we manage our team and PR is going ot be up to us, whilst OO.o may provide a holding page and CVS access (again we wont know until we contact them, after the voting is complete), they will probably be expecting us to actaully provide the tools to schedule whatever tasks are undertaken, as well as any bug tracking and the like. But as you say once we have the Project Management team ready, we can contact OO.o officially and find out.
There is going to be a lot of talking and descision making before any actual porting takes place, theres no point deciding on (say) using Reaction for the gui stuff if we decide to build an X11 library first
and even prior to that there is a lot of investigatory work that needs doing, to look at the code figure out all the unmentioned dependancies, and report back about the various ways of doing the port (pros and cons for each)
Mark
Hello Andy
On 11/01/2005, you wrote:
Hello,
On 11/1/05 9:44 am, "Mark bond" mark.icestar@clara.co.uk wrote:
We also need to discuss, project management (not who but techniques/software etc incl the dotproject software that Davey mentioned)
I agree with this however there's a bit of a catch 22 here because we really need to start an (organised official) dialogue with OO.o (through the PM), before we can be 100% concrete on what we're doing. For example we're not 100% sure on what tools we can have provided to us by OO.o, or how they manage the project overall. We will have to be compatible to a certain degree with how they do things. The more people look into stuff the more little nuances crop up.
Yes, i need to know who contacted them already, what they wrote to OOo & what the replies were, i also need to make sure everyone understands that no further contact with OOo will happen untill after the IRC session.
Regards
Christophe Ochal wrote:
[...]
Yes, i need to know who contacted them already, what they wrote to OOo & what the replies were, i also need to make sure everyone understands that no further contact with OOo will happen untill after the IRC session.
Just had a look at the archive... The porting developer mailing list has been contacted by 3 different people :-o
1: http://porting.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=14931 no reply
2: http://porting.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=14932 reply: http://porting.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=14935 (some usefull info)
3: http://porting.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=14947 reply: http://porting.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=14949 (much usefull info - as it is one of the maintainer of the porting project)
Regards
Henning Nielsen Lund wrote:
Christophe Ochal wrote:
[...]
Yes, i need to know who contacted them already, what they wrote to OOo & what the replies were, i also need to make sure everyone understands that no further contact with OOo will happen untill after the IRC session.
Just had a look at the archive... The porting developer mailing list has been contacted by 3 different people :-o
1: http://porting.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=14931 no reply
2: http://porting.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=14932 reply: http://porting.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=14935 (some usefull info)
3: http://porting.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=14947 reply: http://porting.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=14949 (much usefull info - as it is one of the maintainer of the porting project)
Regards
Nice...so I DID actually get a response (post #3 in links)...would have been great if it was CCed to me however! Thanks for pointing that out! ;-)
Scott
Scott W wrote:
Henning Nielsen Lund wrote:
[...]
Nice...so I DID actually get a response (post #3 in links)...would have been great if it was CCed to me however! Thanks for pointing that out! ;-)
As it is a mailing list, do I not think that he should have CCed You ;-)
But I think that the website should have pointed out that it was a mailing list.
Scott
Hello Henning
On 11/01/2005, you wrote:
Christophe Ochal wrote:
[...]
Yes, i need to know who contacted them already, what they wrote to OOo & what the replies were, i also need to make sure everyone understands that no further contact with OOo will happen untill after the IRC session.
Just had a look at the archive... The porting developer mailing list has been contacted by 3 different people :-o
*ARGH! EVERYONE STOP THAT! NOW!*
1: http://porting.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=14931 no reply
2: http://porting.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=14932 reply: http://porting.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=14935 (some usefull info)
3: http://porting.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=14947 reply: http://porting.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=14949 (much usefull info - as it is one of the maintainer of the porting project)
Thx for the list tho ;)
Regards
Hello Mark
On 11/01/2005, you wrote:
Christophe Ochal wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to discuss the following points at the comin IRC session(s):
1: The wiki on http://www.amigaopenoffice.org Suggestions/requests/comments 2: The commitee What tasks to devide, who can fill them 3: Contact with OOo Who has contacted who 4: Dependancies What do we have, what do we need.
Please provide feedback
Kind regards
We also need to discuss, project management (not who but techniques/software etc incl the dotproject software that Davey mentioned)
We can discuss it when discussing point 2, the list is undetailed i know, it's just a quick summery, later tonight i'll make a more detailed list & post it (if it's finished) otherwise i'll post it tomorrow.
Regards
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:38:46 +0100, Christophe Ochal ochal@kefren.be wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to discuss the following points at the comin IRC session(s):
1: The wiki on http://www.amigaopenoffice.org Suggestions/requests/comments 2: The commitee What tasks to devide, who can fill them 3: Contact with OOo Who has contacted who 4: Dependancies What do we have, what do we need.
Please provide feedback
Project Mission Statement. That whole why are we doing this, what is the scope of the project. Not to mention something that we can refer back to for maintaining focus.
Chris Fraser wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:38:46 +0100, Christophe Ochal ochal@kefren.be wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to discuss the following points at the comin IRC session(s):
1: The wiki on http://www.amigaopenoffice.org Suggestions/requests/comments 2: The commitee What tasks to devide, who can fill them 3: Contact with OOo Who has contacted who 4: Dependancies What do we have, what do we need.
Please provide feedback
Project Mission Statement. That whole why are we doing this, what is the scope of the project. Not to mention something that we can refer back to for maintaining focus.
I think it would also be very needed to discuss: Host for builtsystem and the most important thing, the taget(s) for the project!
On 11/1/05 3:18 pm, "Henning Nielsen Lund" hnl_dk@stofanet.dk wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to discuss the following points at the comin IRC session(s):
1: The wiki on http://www.amigaopenoffice.org Suggestions/requests/comments 2: The commitee What tasks to devide, who can fill them 3: Contact with OOo Who has contacted who 4: Dependancies What do we have, what do we need.
Please provide feedback
Project Mission Statement. That whole why are we doing this, what is the scope of the project. Not to mention something that we can refer back to for maintaining focus.
I think it would also be very needed to discuss: Host for builtsystem and the most important thing, the taget(s) for the project!
Just out of interest, how are these IRC sessions going to be organised? Is it just going a free for all or will it be conducted by the PM? Will the PM be elected by then?
Also is anyone planning to make the logs available for those who can't make it?
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:24:45 +0000, Andy Hall uncharted@ntlworld.com wrote:
Just out of interest, how are these IRC sessions going to be organised? Is it just going a free for all or will it be conducted by the PM?
I assume by the PM, but could be others later.
Will the PM be elected by then?
Should be. Voting has been extended 12 hours, so get to the site and vote. http://amigadev.amigaworld.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&am...
Also is anyone planning to make the logs available for those who can't make it?
I'll have logs. I'm sure others will have logs. I'll have mine up online. Once we get this organizational support structure hammered out there will be a central online archive. In short, yes logs will be available.
Chris Fraser said:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:24:45 +0000, Andy Hall uncharted@ntlworld.com wrote:
Just out of interest, how are these IRC sessions going to be organised? Is it just going a free for all or will it be conducted by the PM?
I assume by the PM, but could be others later.
Will the PM be elected by then?
Should be. Voting has been extended 12 hours, so get to the site and vote. http://amigadev.amigaworld.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&am...
Also is anyone planning to make the logs available for those who can't make it?
I'll have logs. I'm sure others will have logs. I'll have mine up online. Once we get this organizational support structure hammered out there will be a central online archive. In short, yes logs will be available.
I also "mentioned" that we need not only to have the logs, but have someone who is able (and preferably willing) to compact the logs into "what we decided", "what we need to decide" and "what we need to research further". That way, we know what next the day's/week's session is going to be about.
Hello Andy
On 11/01/2005, you wrote:
Just out of interest, how are these IRC sessions going to be organised? Is it just going a free for all or will it be conducted by the PM? Will the PM be elected by then?
The voting is over, i received the most votes. The IRC sessions will be organised by Olegil, as previously stated.
I quote:
I really wanna try out this system, that means everyone sends me a mail with what hours they become available (using worldclock) and for how many hours/minutes. If it's less than thirty minutes in a row or begins on something other than :00 or :30 I don't wanna know. Also, limit to a reasonable amount of available periods ;-)
Example: "I am available from
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=1&day=13&... plus 2 hours
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=1&day=13&... plus 6 hours
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=1&day=14&... plus 1 hour
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=1&day=14&... plus 1 hour
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=1&day=14&... plus 6 hours"
I take this, and send it in an email to olegil@samfundet.no with Subject: Schedule 1
I then process the information at some point during the next 24 hours and send the results back to the list.
Does everyone understand this? (Rhetorical question, I don't want 60 emails saying "yeah, sure" :-) )
If for some reason I don't fully grasp what you mean, you'll get a reply saying "invalid data". Then you go back here and read this message again.
If I understand what you mean, you'll get a receipt saying "Processed". Be kind enough not to reply to that one unless you REALLY want to change something. No chit-chat :-)
If for any reason this doesn't work AT ALL. We will most certainly not try it again ;-)
Now I'm going home to grab some food, and I'll be reading emails sporadically for another three and a half hours. Hopefully some people answer immediately, so I can begin processing :-)
/quote
Also is anyone planning to make the logs available for those who can't make it?
This should be discussed once there's a shedule.
Regards
Hello Henning
On 11/01/2005, you wrote:
Chris Fraser wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:38:46 +0100, Christophe Ochal ochal@kefren.be wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to discuss the following points at the comin IRC session(s):
1: The wiki on http://www.amigaopenoffice.org Suggestions/requests/comments 2: The commitee What tasks to devide, who can fill them 3: Contact with OOo Who has contacted who 4: Dependancies What do we have, what do we need.
Please provide feedback
Project Mission Statement. That whole why are we doing this, what is the scope of the project. Not to mention something that we can refer back to for maintaining focus.
I think it would also be very needed to discuss: Host for builtsystem and the most important thing, the taget(s) for the project!
OS4 is the target
Regards
Well, seems that the majority has spoken here. Any and all programming I can offer, would have been on OS 3.1 as it's all I can use at this moment, and for a good while too.
Not sure of what use I could be otherwise Amiga Wise. I'll follow developments with the highest of interest but I fear, until I do get an AmigaOne or any OS4 capable machine, it's all i can do is follow the development. You can be sure I'll join up again when I do get my OS4 machine :-)....no two ways about that..
I'm not complaining here, so please don't take this the wrong way, I'm just merely stating the situation as it is. I have Win UAE running Workbench 3.1 and cannot have an AmigaOne machine anytime soon (wish I could change that, but right now, I can't change that :-( ). So I'll just follow the development :-)
Well, I'm sure we would still like you on the team, and many subprojects will still be useful for 3.x as well (aspell, for instance ;-))
On this link you can unsubscribe, or you can wait for me to help you in the morning. Have to go now
On 11/1/05 5:24 pm, "stephane richard" srichard@adaworld.com wrote:
Well, seems that the majority has spoken here. Any and all programming I can offer, would have been on OS 3.1 as it's all I can use at this moment, and for a good while too.
I'm in the same position, however although the main focus for the porting is OS4.0, there's still plenty of use for various 68k pieces. It's really still too early to know exactly what is needed and what is going to happen.
I think you and your skills are needed more than you think. Please reconsider.
Yeah I wanted to unsubscribe from one post that seemed to really draw a wall between OS4 and The rest. I should have read the rest first.
I'm staying, of course, I see there's plenty of things to be done and alot of which don't even require programming per se....
Thank god I didn't suggest OS 1.2 with AmigaBasic as the programming language ;-)....hehe
----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Hall" uncharted@ntlworld.com To: openoffice-os4@samfundet.no Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [OO.org-OS4] Please unsubscribe me.
On 11/1/05 5:24 pm, "stephane richard" srichard@adaworld.com wrote:
Well, seems that the majority has spoken here. Any and all programming I can offer, would have been on OS 3.1 as it's all I can use at this moment, and for a good while too.
I'm in the same position, however although the main focus for the porting is OS4.0, there's still plenty of use for various 68k pieces. It's really still too early to know exactly what is needed and what is going to happen.
I think you and your skills are needed more than you think. Please reconsider.
--
Thanks,
Andy Hall
Openoffice-os4 mailing list Openoffice-os4@samfundet.no https://lists.samfundet.no/mailman/listinfo/openoffice-os4
stephane richard wrote:
Yeah I wanted to unsubscribe from one post that seemed to really draw a wall between OS4 and The rest. I should have read the rest first.
You should keep in mind that this effort is driven by the people that participate. Regardless of personal opinion of individuals, if sufficient people try to do something, then it will happen.
Like I said, my personal focus is OS 4 (which shouldn't come as a surprise, really), but that is just me.
Regards,
On 2005-01-11, stephane richard wrote:
Well, seems that the majority has spoken here. Any and all programming I can offer, would have been on OS 3.1 as it's all I can use at this moment, and for a good while too.
As I wrote before, this is not necessarily a problem. Some sub-projects might very well be undertaken in an OS3.1 environment even if the OOo project as a whole will never be available.
As an example:
Porting aspell can probably be done using GCC 3.x on AmigaOS 3.y and the result will be a source packet which is readily re-compilable on AmigaOS 4.x.
-Peter aka. Archprogrammer
Reality is for people who cannot face ScienceFiction. Only lefthanded people are in their right minds.
Ok then :-), cancel the unsubscribe request I'll stay and be useful where I can :-)..
just throw it at me ;-)
----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Bengtsson" tesla@och.nu To: openoffice-os4@samfundet.no Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 2:06 PM Subject: [OO.org-OS4] Re: Please unsubscribe me.
On 2005-01-11, stephane richard wrote:
Well, seems that the majority has spoken here. Any and all programming I can offer, would have been on OS 3.1 as it's all I can use at this moment, and for a good while too.
As I wrote before, this is not necessarily a problem. Some sub-projects might very well be undertaken in an OS3.1 environment even if the OOo project as a whole will never be available.
As an example:
Porting aspell can probably be done using GCC 3.x on AmigaOS 3.y and the result will be a source packet which is readily re-compilable on AmigaOS 4.x.
-Peter aka. Archprogrammer
Reality is for people who cannot face ScienceFiction. Only lefthanded people are in their right minds.
Openoffice-os4 mailing list Openoffice-os4@samfundet.no https://lists.samfundet.no/mailman/listinfo/openoffice-os4
Hello stephane
On 11/01/2005, you wrote:
Well, seems that the majority has spoken here. Any and all programming I can offer, would have been on OS 3.1 as it's all I can use at this moment, and for a good while too.
I've already said this, but i'll repeat it for good measure:
The target is OS4, however, porting of dependancies need not be OS4 specific. Eg, the csh shell is perfectly doable on an 68k with 3.x (it already exists but i'll use it as an example anyway) if there is a need to port this, it could be appointed to a coder using 3.x OR 4.0, depending on who has the time/experiance to do it, if it's done in 3.x & the source is clean & GCC compatable, bringing it over to OS4 should not pose much of a problem.
The same thing should also be true for MOS & AROS, and it works both ways, unless explicitly stated, all code should be portable.
This DOES NOT mean that we will do the porting to MOS or AROS, however, if multiple devs from those platforms join in, we can appoint someone to be head of that subproject & have him take care of porting with the devs of his platform.
Regards
stephane richard wrote:
Well, seems that the majority has spoken here. Any and all programming I can offer, would have been on OS 3.1 as it's all I can use at this moment, and for a good while too.
I would beg to differ.
For one thing, lots of the auxillary code and libraries that gets ported would be useful for OS 3.1. Secondly, we don't really know if it is difficult or not to work on multiple platforms at once. I would guess that with sufficient OS 3.x users on this list a 3.1 port is as much a possibility as 4.0. I don't believe that the 68k will be sufficiently powerful, but that is a different story.
Regards,
Hello Chris
On 11/01/2005, you wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:38:46 +0100, Christophe Ochal ochal@kefren.be wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to discuss the following points at the comin IRC session(s):
1: The wiki on http://www.amigaopenoffice.org Suggestions/requests/comments 2: The commitee What tasks to devide, who can fill them 3: Contact with OOo Who has contacted who 4: Dependancies What do we have, what do we need.
Please provide feedback
Project Mission Statement. That whole why are we doing this, what is the scope of the project. Not to mention something that we can refer back to for maintaining focus.
Excellent suggestion, noted.
Regards
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Andy Hall -
Chris Fraser -
Christophe Ochal -
Hans-Joerg Frieden -
Henning Nielsen Lund -
Mark bond -
Olegil at home -
Peter Bengtsson -
Scott W -
stephane richard -
Tony Wyatt