Sorry for missing the IRC but this was a really busy week and I managed to join the ML only today! :(

I'll wait for the IRC logs to check the Software requirements, for the hardware I have a way to access an A1 (until I'll buy one! ;) ).

Have a good shopping!

MB

Olegil at home ha scritto:

The Elter said:

...

Hello to all.

Welcome!

...

I'm an italian programmer. I started to work as programmer in 1994 as co-founder of LightShock Software (we made some games for the Amiga and PC). Actually I'm programming internet applications and various multimedia things.

My skills in brief:

• good knowledge of C++, C, PHP and Java.
• very good knowlege of networking programming
• a "little bit rousted" ability with AmigaOS (i programmed many in

house graphic utilities in ASM but completely using the OS 3.1)

May I help in some way? Wich are the "system requirements" and capabilities?

Software wise: We had an IRC session discussing that yesterday, you shoulda been there. There are logs up now, hopefully in a day or less we'll see the compact version of the log with all the cruft edited out. We're building a WIKI page with dependencies. Hardware wise: We'll be aiming for AimgaOS4, os any hardware capable of running OS4 is good. If you don't have one, we'll find a way for you to access one. You can probably also cross-compile from Linux and have a beta tester run the binaries. For quite some time we'll be working on the dependencies, though. And many of those will likely be ported to both 3.9 and 4.0 so they can be more useful in other projects. Some dependencies we know of: csh (for some build scripts), sh (for some other build scripts), autotools (at least some things are done by autoconf), aspell, neon, berkeley db, unixodbc etc. Just to mention a handful off the top of my head. Hmm, beer. And now I need to go shopping for food. Oh well, I've been drunk in a grocery store before :-P

stephane richard said:

I'm waiting for my access to an OS4 machine ;-)

However, I now have OS 3.9 for my emulator which seems to work awesomely and now I can get the right compiler from downloads of the website. ;-) There's no kickstart for 3.9 right? All I could find was 3.5.

The last official kickstart was 3.1, however some of us have had both 3.5 and 3.9 images for use with softkickers for years :-P Saves a couple of resets on a heavily expanded A1200 :-)

Reminds me that I never finished that flash board for my A1200. Hmm, should put that back on the project list ;-)

Hi All,

Here's the excerpt of yesterdays IRC session. I've tried to filter as many usefull tidbits out of the chatlog, and represent it in a more structured way. Chances are though, that I've missed something. This excerpt will also be in the Wiki shortly, feel free to improve it there.

Most notably, under the header 'Dependencies' several entries lack any comment. That means that either the chat log didn't provide me with enough information to write anything sensible or that it was there but I didn't understand it. Again, feel free to improve the excerpt in the Wiki.

Decisions

The following decisions were taken during the IRC session:

- The port will be done for OOo 2.0

- The project will use sourceforge to host it's CVS

- Postponed decision: whether to do the port directly on OS4 or cross compile. Reason: we need to evaluate the situation first.

- Depencies will be split in two categories: Tools and Libs.

- The ML will remain our primary means for communication, there won't be a forum alongside it. Reason: keep all communication focused in one place.

- We should join OOo. But only after we have ported the dependencies and have a alpha/beta release.

- Postponed decision: which GUI to use.

Goals

Make it run. Make it compile ON, rather than just FOR. Keep it running

Dependencies

A large part of the chat was dedicated to discussing OOo's dependencies. In short the following was discussed:

- sed. Unclear whether we have this or not, let alone where to get it from. (chatlog isn't very helpful there).

- AWK. Hnl_dk mentions it being available.

- csh

- bash. One alternative for a bash would be a pure interpreter for the shell language. We don't need an interactive shell, just a means to run scripts

- Java. Jamiga is being worked on, might prove usefull in a few months, which is considered soon enough. Kaffe might be an alternative. The Status of Kaffe is unkown (does it work on OS4, will it's functionality be adequate?). Java seems to be required in the build process for OOo 2.0. (Note: apparently we're not sure about that, need to find out)

- Perl

- M4 has been ported by hnl_dk. Chatlog doesn't provide info on whether we need it nor what for.

- Aspell. For aspell we need to find out three things: 1: why is OO.o using .33.6.1 instead of .60.xxx? 2: would it work with .60? 3: what are the dependencies of aspell <version we choose>. Aspell build-depends on libncurses.

- ncurses. Aspell depends on it. there's an ncurses port on gg: (uses ixemul)

- pdcurses. Alternative to ncurses.

- pdksh. Hnl_dk is mentioned as being working on that. Whether it is a dependency is not mentioned during the IRC session.

- neon.

- Python.

- libxml2. Already been ported by Rogue. Availability: soon on OS4Depot.

- expat. Already been ported. Availability unknown/not mentioned.

- audio dependency. Will need completly re-doing over to AHI.

- freetype. It's part of OS 4 but the API is not exposed.

- X11.

- xami. XAmi 4.0.2 seems to work.

- AGG. The biggest part of Xlib is concerned with simple graphics, pattern drawing, think lines etc. AGG could fill that gap.

- Twain. Needed for scanning.

- Sane. Needed for scanning.

- libusb. Needed by Sane.

- unixODBC. Used to connect to foreign databases.

Tasks:

- Provide a list of all known dependencies of OOo. Assigned to: hnl_dk, SieGel, TonyW, Archprogrammer. Deadline: 24-10-2005

- Try to get the sources from OOo compiling under Linux. Assigned to: SieGel. Hnl_dk will try and do the same. Deadline: none communicated.

- Mark is to coordinate with Rose (Anarchic_Teapot) about her offer for help and possibly provide extra programmers. Assigned to: Mark. Deadline: none communicated.

- Schedule a next IRC session on 24-01-2005. Assigned to: Olegil.

- coordinate distribution of the sources. Assigned to: Olegil. Status: in progress. Deadline: none communicated.

- Amon_Re will create user login's on the project management site (http://dev.amigaopenoffice.org) for everybody that needs it. A private e-mail will be sent with the login details. Assigned to: Amon_Re. Deadline: none communicated.

- Finishing the project management site. Assigned to: DaveyD. Deadline: none communicated.

- Communicate with the OOo team once we know what's involved. Assigned to: Wegster.

- Put the Make tutorial on the web and add a link to amigaopenoffice.org. Also add it to http://developer.acggbg.org/amigadev/. Assigned to: Archprogrammer. Deadline: none communicated. Status: Done. (http://och.nu/tesla/MakeTutorial.tar.gz)

- Download the csh unpack it and give us a breakdown of what the makefile means and what it converts to. (http://ftp.plig.org/pub/aminet/util/shell/csh550src.lha) Assigned to: TonyW. Deadline: none communicated.

- Put libxml2 on OS4Depot. Assigned to: Rogue. Deadline: none communicated.

- Answer whether Amon_Re's installer can come with 3.x. Assigned to: Amon_Re. Deadline: none communicated.

- Go through *all* the mails on the ml & make a text document with everyone's resume. List in alfabetical order, then sorted by functions they can perform. Also specify on that list what machines they have/use. Assigned to: Gnarly, T_Power. Deadline: none communicated.

- Create webbanners. Contact DaveyD about the source he used for the logo. Assigned to: Mason. Deadline: none communicated.

- Ask on the ML for idea's on a slogan. Assigned to Mason. Status: in progress.

Entilzha's eye-opener for programmers:

If you link a clib2 program with -lunix, it will use unix paths.

Usefull links:

http://ooo.ximian.com/hackers-guide.html http://gsl.openoffice.org/ http://ftp.plig.org/pub/aminet/dev/gg/db-4.0.14.readme

Hello Thomas

On 14/01/2005, you wrote:

...

• ncurses. Aspell depends on it. there's an ncurses port on gg: (uses

ixemul)

Stefan Burstroem has ported ncurses to OS4.

That's news, is Stefan Burstroem present? :)

Regards

Need to eat... will continue tomorrow - if not tonight...

Peter Molenaar wrote:

Hi All,

Here's the excerpt of yesterdays IRC session. I've tried to filter as many usefull tidbits out of the chatlog, and represent it in a more structured way. Chances are though, that I've missed something. This excerpt will also be in the Wiki shortly, feel free to improve it there.

Most notably, under the header 'Dependencies' several entries lack any comment. That means that either the chat log didn't provide me with enough information to write anything sensible or that it was there but I didn't understand it. Again, feel free to improve the excerpt in the Wiki.

Decisions

The following decisions were taken during the IRC session:

•     The port will be done for OOo 2.0
  
  

•     The project will use sourceforge to host it's CVS
  
  

•     Postponed decision: whether to do the port directly on OS4 or
  

cross compile. Reason: we need to evaluate the situation first.

•     Depencies will be split in two categories: Tools and Libs.
  
  

•     The ML will remain our primary means for communication, there
  

won't be a forum alongside it. Reason: keep all communication focused in one place.

•     We should join OOo. But only after we have ported the
  

dependencies and have a alpha/beta release.

•     Postponed decision: which GUI to use.
  
  
  
  

Goals

Make it run. Make it compile ON, rather than just FOR. Keep it running

Dependencies

A large part of the chat was dedicated to discussing OOo's dependencies. In short the following was discussed:

• sed. Unclear whether we have this or not, let alone where to get it

from. (chatlog isn't very helpful there).

• AWK. Hnl_dk mentions it being available.

it is on the updated SDK

• csh

• bash. One alternative for a bash would be a pure interpreter for the

shell language. We don't need an interactive shell, just a means to run scripts

should be sh (for bourne shell or POSIX shell)... bash is one Shell that tried to be compatible with sh.

• Java. Jamiga is being worked on, might prove usefull in a few months,

which is considered soon enough. Kaffe might be an alternative. The Status of Kaffe is unkown (does it work on OS4, will it's functionality be adequate?). Java seems to be required in the build process for OOo 2.0. (Note: apparently we're not sure about that, need to find out)

• Perl

• M4 has been ported by hnl_dk. Chatlog doesn't provide info on whether

we need it nor what for.

M4 is needed, when we change the configurationfiles for the dependency files that make use of autoconf/automake/libtool

• Aspell. For aspell we need to find out three things: 1: why is OO.o

using .33.6.1 instead of .60.xxx? 2: would it work with .60? 3: what are the dependencies of aspell <version we choose>. Aspell build-depends on libncurses.

http://aspell.sourceforge.net/

• ncurses. Aspell depends on it. there's an ncurses port on gg: (uses

ixemul)

http://www.gnu.org/software/ncurses/ncurses.html

• pdcurses. Alternative to ncurses.

ncurses is needed by Aspell, so there should be no need for pdcurses http://pdcurses.sourceforge.net/

• pdksh. Hnl_dk is mentioned as being working on that. Whether it is a

dependency is not mentioned during the IRC session.

that is acutally abc-shell, that is based on pdksh - http://sourceforge.net/projects/abc-shell - that is aiming to be compatible with bourne shell and POSIX shell... See bash here in the log.

• neon.

neon also depends on OpenSSH

• Python.

• libxml2. Already been ported by Rogue. Availability: soon on OS4Depot.

• expat. Already been ported. Availability unknown/not mentioned.

http://os4depot.net/showfile/?file=development/library/expat-ppc.lha

• audio dependency. Will need completly re-doing over to AHI.

• freetype. It's part of OS 4 but the API is not exposed.

• X11.

• xami. XAmi 4.0.2 seems to work.

• AGG. The biggest part of Xlib is concerned with simple graphics,

pattern drawing, think lines etc. AGG could fill that gap.

http://os4depot.net/showfile/?file=development/library/agg2sdk.lha

• Twain. Needed for scanning.

only twain.h is needed http://www.twain.org/devfiles/twain.h

• Sane. Needed for scanning.

http://www.sane-project.org/

• libusb. Needed by Sane.

http://libusb.sourceforge.net/

• unixODBC. Used to connect to foreign databases.

Tasks:

•     Provide a list of all known dependencies of OOo. Assigned to:
  

hnl_dk, SieGel, TonyW, Archprogrammer. Deadline: 24-10-2005

•     Try to get the sources from OOo compiling under Linux.
  

Assigned to: SieGel. Hnl_dk will try and do the same. Deadline: none communicated.

•     Mark is to coordinate with Rose (Anarchic_Teapot) about her
  

offer for help and possibly provide extra programmers. Assigned to: Mark. Deadline: none communicated.

•     Schedule a next IRC session on 24-01-2005. Assigned to:
  

Olegil.

•     coordinate distribution of the sources. Assigned to: Olegil.
  

Status: in progress. Deadline: none communicated.

•     Amon_Re will create user login's on the project management
  

site (http://dev.amigaopenoffice.org) for everybody that needs it. A private e-mail will be sent with the login details. Assigned to: Amon_Re. Deadline: none communicated.

•     Finishing the project management site. Assigned to: DaveyD.
  

Deadline: none communicated.

•     Communicate with the OOo team once we know what's involved.
  

Assigned to: Wegster.

•     Put the Make tutorial on the web and add a link to
  

amigaopenoffice.org. Also add it to http://developer.acggbg.org/amigadev/. Assigned to: Archprogrammer. Deadline: none communicated. Status: Done. (http://och.nu/tesla/MakeTutorial.tar.gz)

•     Download the csh unpack it and give us a breakdown of what the
  

makefile means and what it converts to. (http://ftp.plig.org/pub/aminet/util/shell/csh550src.lha) Assigned to: TonyW. Deadline: none communicated.

•     Put libxml2 on OS4Depot. Assigned to: Rogue. Deadline: none
  

communicated.

•      Answer whether Amon_Re's installer can come with 3.x.
  

Assigned to: Amon_Re. Deadline: none communicated.

•     Go through *all* the mails on the ml & make a text document
  

with everyone's resume. List in alfabetical order, then sorted by functions they can perform. Also specify on that list what machines they have/use. Assigned to: Gnarly, T_Power. Deadline: none communicated.

•     Create webbanners. Contact DaveyD about the source he used for
  

the logo. Assigned to: Mason. Deadline: none communicated.

•     Ask on the ML for idea's on a slogan. Assigned to Mason.
  

Status: in progress.

Entilzha's eye-opener for programmers:

If you link a clib2 program with -lunix, it will use unix paths.

Usefull links:

http://ooo.ximian.com/hackers-guide.html http://gsl.openoffice.org/ http://ftp.plig.org/pub/aminet/dev/gg/db-4.0.14.readme

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Hello Henning

On 15/01/2005, you wrote:

@Amon_Re Just to let You know, I didn't ask him on behalf of OOo - have been in contact with him before, when I had a little peak at Sane.

You're not afraid of me are you? o.O ;)

Regards

On 15/01/2005, Rose Humphrey wrote:

Hello Daniel

On 15/01/2005, you wrote:

...

I like the: amiga openoffice.org porting project - yes we are that crazy!

As a private comment on our collective mania, it's rather good. Not very appropriate for a public slogan, though, as self-deprecation doesn't ring positive. You'd need something portentous like "Amiga Openoffice.org porting project: the future is coming closer".

Regards --Rose Humphrey Amont Informatique France

"Amiga Openoffice.org porting project: The Power of Community"

Hans-Joerg Frieden wrote:

Peter Molenaar wrote:

...

If you link a clib2 program with -lunix, it will use unix paths.

I have to add: If you link with -lunix, it will not only use unix paths but also unix "semantics! for some function. Example: seek() past the file end will enlarge the file with -lunix but not without it.

Does -lunix also take care of the "/dev/tty --> console:" translation?

Regards,

Hans-Joerg Frieden wrote:

Henning Nielsen Lund wrote:

...

Does -lunix also take care of the "/dev/tty --> console:" translation?

I don't know to be honest, I don't think so.

ok, would be nice though ;-) same with "/dev/null --> NIL:" translation :-)

Regards,

On 2005-01-14, Peter Molenaar wrote:

<SNIP>

Tasks:

•     Provide a list of all known dependencies of OOo. Assigned to:
  

hnl_dk, SieGel, TonyW, Archprogrammer. Deadline: 24-10-2005

Looks like a ... loose schedule? :-)

-Peter aka. Archprogrammer

Reality is for people who cannot face ScienceFiction. Only lefthanded people are in their right minds.

Christophe Ochal wrote:

Hello Peter

On 14/01/2005, you wrote:

...

On 2005-01-14, Peter Molenaar wrote:

...

Tasks:

•     Provide a list of all known dependencies of OOo. Assigned
  

to: hnl_dk, SieGel, TonyW, Archprogrammer. Deadline: 24-10-2005

Looks like a ... loose schedule? :-)

Erm, deadline is 24-01-2005 :)

After trying to install Linux and OS4 on the same disk about 20 times today (without any luck - SBL is not working, and I am using the right one, and have followed the information on AmigaWorld.net and intuitionbase.com - just like the other times I have tried), have I stopped trying :-(

One hour ago I began checking out the OOo sources (didn't get the URL from Ole-Egil yesterday, and I can let to download for some hours).

Will begin looking at the sources tomorrow.

Regards

Hakuna Matata, Peter Molenaar!

•     Go through *all* the mails on the ml & make a text document
  

with everyone's resume. List in alfabetical order, then sorted by

You really mean EVERYONE? I don't think to ever have posted my resume here *BLUSH*

Hakuna Matata, Olly Hodgson!

I've already got a lot of info out of the archives, but you're one of the

many gaps :)

I'm a shy boy :D

Go on then, lets have your real name, AW/IRC nickname, your (relevant)

skills and what computers you have (e.g. >AmigaOne, PC with WinUAE, etc).

Real name: Francesco (first) Giordano (last)

Nickname: always the same (Nibunnoichi) ;)

Skills: i work as senior programmer for a large company here in Italy... known languages (ordered starting with what i know better to the less known): PHP, Delphi, VB (:p), Perl, Java (add HTML/XML/SQL in between)... but not C++, sorry :D that's why i applied for translation and betatesting :)

Computers: Amiga Classic: 1000/2000/500+/1200/4000 (the 4k is the one i regularly use). Amiga One: ASAP PeeCee: a desktop to do the things i cannot do on the Amiga, a laptop with WinUAE. Others: various from different ages (my girlfriend and my mother would say: "too much" :D)