Hello,
I'd like to inform that the voting booth is open, and will run for 24 hours starting from now.
Please keep in mind that this is not a popularity vote, and should be taken seriously.
The voting booth can be found on http://amigadev.amigaworld.net in the "OpenOffice Internal" forum, if you can not enter the forum, contact me through this list or private mail ASAP.
Kind regards
Christophe Ochal wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to inform that the voting booth is open, and will run for 24 hours starting from now.
Um, didn't TonyW just drop out of the running? ;-)
Hello Olly
On 09/01/2005, you wrote:
Christophe Ochal wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to inform that the voting booth is open, and will run for 24 hours starting from now.
Um, didn't TonyW just drop out of the running? ;-)
Argh! Yes he did, deleted & recreated the poll, to the person who voted already, please recast.
Regards
Hello,
I'd like to inform that the voting booth is open, and will run for 24 hours starting from now.
Please keep in mind that this is not a popularity vote, and should be taken seriously.
The voting booth can be found on http://amigadev.amigaworld.net in the "OpenOffice Internal" forum, if you can not enter the forum, contact me through this list or private mail ASAP.
Well, I cannot access this page or I simply don't find it.
About the vote: I am not pretty happy with the things going on here. There is simply not enough information available to make a vote yet, the notification time is/was way to short. Did the IRC conference take place today ? If so, I missed it, and I guess to announce something like this has to reserve at least some time to plan the meeting (at least 1-2 days ahead).
Now, anyway, what I would like to suggest - but might not have any effect, because you might have done it already is this:
Before we talk about a vote etc. we need a discussion. I'd recommend an
Invitation to an "EXECUTIVE BOARD MEETING"
Agenda:
- Defining an executive board of key positions in the project This includes - Head of Ops (operations, organisation) - Assistant(s) of Ops/Board of Ops (Communication, Planing, etc). - Head of Programming, Lead Programmer - Senior Programmer(s) - Head of Tools - Senior Tools Developer(s) - Head of Documentation - etc.
All head positions are automatically part of the "Executive Board". Head of the Executive Board is the "Head of Ops". A Senior job is automatically a substitude for a Head job. For the Ops Team a substitude for the Head of Ops has to be elected.
Invitees: Everybody interessted in one or the other open positions All others can join but must remain silent.
Objective:
An open discussion of the open positions and their responsibilities. The result should be a list of potential candidates which will take part in a final selection process (the vote). The whole selection process should not take longer than 1 hour or/and a as a result a followup meeting (which sets the decision) should be taking place within 24 hours after the first meeting.
Timeframe:
The conference should be held thru IRC on a give date yet to be announced. Preferable on a weekend, because the most people here might be at work. Because today is (was) Sunday, the next possible timeslot is (early) next weekend.
Anyway, I think I am way to late with my proposal.
To be honest, I wish you all the luck, but if you go on like you do ATM, I fear this might really go nowhere (sorry, I might be a bit harsh here).
There is one very important factor for project at that size: patience!
cheers Jürgen
Hello Jürgen
On 09/01/2005, you wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to inform that the voting booth is open, and will run for 24 hours starting from now.
Please keep in mind that this is not a popularity vote, and should be taken seriously.
The voting booth can be found on http://amigadev.amigaworld.net in the "OpenOffice Internal" forum, if you can not enter the forum, contact me through this list or private mail ASAP.
Well, I cannot access this page or I simply don't find it.
You should be able to access it now.
About the vote: I am not pretty happy with the things going on here. There is simply not enough information available to make a vote yet, the notification time is/was way to short. Did the IRC conference take place today ? If so, I missed it, and I guess to announce something like this has to reserve at least some time to plan the meeting (at least 1-2 days ahead).
I think the voting was mentioned since yesterday, the sole reason why i suggested it was because there simply is no direction inhere at all, getting someone to steer this in a direction seems to me the best solution.
Now, anyway, what I would like to suggest - but might not have any effect, because you might have done it already is this:
Before we talk about a vote etc. we need a discussion. I'd recommend an
Invitation to an "EXECUTIVE BOARD MEETING"
Agenda:
- Defining an executive board of key positions in the project This includes
- Head of Ops (operations, organisation)
- Assistant(s) of Ops/Board of Ops (Communication, Planing, etc).
- Head of Programming, Lead Programmer
- Senior Programmer(s)
- Head of Tools
- Senior Tools Developer(s)
- Head of Documentation
- etc.
All head positions are automatically part of the "Executive Board". Head of the Executive Board is the "Head of Ops". A Senior job is automatically a substitude for a Head job. For the Ops Team a substitude for the Head of Ops has to be elected.
Invitees: Everybody interessted in one or the other open positions All others can join but must remain silent.
Objective:
An open discussion of the open positions and their responsibilities. The result should be a list of potential candidates which will take part in a final selection process (the vote). The whole selection process should not take longer than 1 hour or/and a as a result a followup meeting (which sets the decision) should be taking place within 24 hours after the first meeting.
Timeframe:
The conference should be held thru IRC on a give date yet to be announced. Preferable on a weekend, because the most people here might be at work. Because today is (was) Sunday, the next possible timeslot is (early) next weekend.
Anyway, I think I am way to late with my proposal.
To be honest, I wish you all the luck, but if you go on like you do ATM, I fear this might really go nowhere (sorry, I might be a bit harsh here).
There is one very important factor for project at that size: patience!
cheers Jürgen
Regards
Well, I cannot access this page or I simply don't find it.
You should be able to access it now.
Yes, thx. I got a notification - have to try it, though.
least 1-2 days ahead).
I think the voting was mentioned since yesterday, the sole reason why i suggested it was because there simply is no direction inhere at all, getting someone to steer this in a direction seems to me the best solution.
I understand. But be carefull with votes. Once a result is there, it is hard to change (or nobody will take votes serious later on).
cheers Jürgen
On the AmigaDev website I found the distro for the OS 3.9. but nothing for 3.1
Hello stephane
On 10/01/2005, you wrote:
On the AmigaDev website I found the distro for the OS 3.9. but nothing for 3.1
If you have the latest installer it might work, do a "version c:installer" and let me know
Or download & try it ;)
Regards
Christophe Ochal wrote:
Hello Jürgen
About the vote: I am not pretty happy with the things going on here. There is simply not enough information available to make a vote yet, the notification time is/was way to short. Did the IRC conference take place today ? If so, I missed it, and I guess to announce something like this has to reserve at least some time to plan the meeting (at least 1-2 days ahead).
I think the voting was mentioned since yesterday, the sole reason why i suggested it was because there simply is no direction inhere at all, getting someone to steer this in a direction seems to me the best solution.
And if we don't get someone to officially lead us soon I'm going to keep swamping you in explanations, ideas and suggestions until you just silently give up and I become the shadow government :-P
We could of course extend the time limit on the vote another 12-24 hours just to make certain everyone has their say in the matter. And asking follow-up questions before voting is allowed, I presume.
There's another thing we haven't considered, and that is, what responsibilities and priviliges does the head honcho have? I mean, how can we get rid of one (would enforcing a new vote in say 2 months be a good idea? Can we vote him out of office if he's being a bastard, etc. In a perfect world these are unneccessary, but last time I woke up, this sure as heck wasn't a perfect world :-P ).
Is he there to help us, or are we there to help him? Do we propose things for him to decide or does he propose things for us to decide? Does he have a veto right?
I suggest: We have a new vote every two or three months, and that he has a veto, but anyone can request a vote over any trivial matter (too many requests over trivial matters from an individual would then automatically lead to a pair of boxed ears and a footprint on his behind). The managers role is to make certain we're going in the right direction, but he must do this not by going in front and hoping everyone follows, nor by going behind with a pointed stick, but by gently pushing us in the right directions while still being one of us.
Ole-Egil, who has seen what a group without a strong leader can end up as ;-)
Ole-Egil Hvitmyren wrote:
Christophe Ochal wrote:
Hello Jürgen
About the vote: I am not pretty happy with the things going on here. There is simply not enough information available to make a vote yet, the notification time is/was way to short. Did the IRC conference take place today ? If so, I missed it, and I guess to announce something like this has to reserve at least some time to plan the meeting (at least 1-2 days ahead).
I think the voting was mentioned since yesterday, the sole reason why i suggested it was because there simply is no direction inhere at all, getting someone to steer this in a direction seems to me the best solution.
And if we don't get someone to officially lead us soon I'm going to keep swamping you in explanations, ideas and suggestions until you just silently give up and I become the shadow government :-P
We could of course extend the time limit on the vote another 12-24 hours just to make certain everyone has their say in the matter. And asking follow-up questions before voting is allowed, I presume.
All, I know some of you are 'antsy,' but at this stage of the game, I don't think anyone here knows anyone....setting up an IRC meeting with interested parties and taking a vote then might be a better idea, or just making the 'duration' of this 'unknown taking initial tenure' a short period of time....that way it'll allow someone 'to go to,' but if it doesn't work out because no one knows anyone so it's 'picking out of a hat,' it can be revisited in a month or so...
Scott
Hello Scott
On 10/01/2005, you wrote:
Ole-Egil Hvitmyren wrote:
Christophe Ochal wrote:
Hello Jürgen
About the vote: I am not pretty happy with the things going on here. There is simply not enough information available to make a vote yet, the notification time is/was way to short. Did the IRC conference take place today ? If so, I missed it, and I guess to announce something like this has to reserve at least some time to plan the meeting (at least 1-2 days ahead).
I think the voting was mentioned since yesterday, the sole reason why i suggested it was because there simply is no direction inhere at all, getting someone to steer this in a direction seems to me the best solution.
And if we don't get someone to officially lead us soon I'm going to keep swamping you in explanations, ideas and suggestions until you just silently give up and I become the shadow government :-P
We could of course extend the time limit on the vote another 12-24 hours just to make certain everyone has their say in the matter. And asking follow-up questions before voting is allowed, I presume.
All, I know some of you are 'antsy,' but at this stage of the game, I don't think anyone here knows anyone....setting up an IRC meeting with interested parties and taking a vote then might be a better idea, or just making the 'duration' of this 'unknown taking initial tenure' a short period of time....that way it'll allow someone 'to go to,' but if it doesn't work out because no one knows anyone so it's 'picking out of a hat,' it can be revisited in a month or so...
The voté isn't there permanently, well, that's my idea, i thought of a 3 month period, but that can be further discussed by the one elected.
Regards
Hello Ole-Egil
On 10/01/2005, you wrote:
Christophe Ochal wrote:
Hello Jürgen
About the vote: I am not pretty happy with the things going on here. There is simply not enough information available to make a vote yet, the notification time is/was way to short. Did the IRC conference take place today ? If so, I missed it, and I guess to announce something like this has to reserve at least some time to plan the meeting (at least 1-2 days ahead).
I think the voting was mentioned since yesterday, the sole reason why i suggested it was because there simply is no direction inhere at all, getting someone to steer this in a direction seems to me the best solution.
And if we don't get someone to officially lead us soon I'm going to keep swamping you in explanations, ideas and suggestions until you just silently give up and I become the shadow government :-P
Why do you think i did the voting? :D
We could of course extend the time limit on the vote another 12-24 hours just to make certain everyone has their say in the matter. And asking follow-up questions before voting is allowed, I presume.
If needs be, yes
There's another thing we haven't considered, and that is, what responsibilities and priviliges does the head honcho have? I mean, how can we get rid of one (would enforcing a new vote in say 2 months be a good idea? Can we vote him out of office if he's being a bastard, etc. In a perfect world these are unneccessary, but last time I woke up, this sure as heck wasn't a perfect world :-P ).
I was actually thinking of holding votes every 3 months, but that's something the elected person has to decide, besides, if the whole team sais "go to hell", he'd have little choice other then to give in :P
Is he there to help us, or are we there to help him? Do we propose things for him to decide or does he propose things for us to decide? Does he have a veto right?
It should work both ways.
I suggest: We have a new vote every two or three months, and that he has a veto, but anyone can request a vote over any trivial matter (too many requests over trivial matters from an individual would then automatically lead to a pair of boxed ears and a footprint on his behind). The managers role is to make certain we're going in the right direction, but he must do this not by going in front and hoping everyone follows, nor by going behind with a pointed stick, but by gently pushing us in the right directions while still being one of us.
And the occasional whip if needed :D
Ole-Egil, who has seen what a group without a strong leader can end up as ;-)
There's lot of governments that fit that bill :P
Regards
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:56:34 +0100 (CET), =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_Schober?= juergen.schober@pointdesign.at wrote:
Anyway, I think I am way to late with my proposal.
To be honest, I wish you all the luck, but if you go on like you do ATM, I fear this might really go nowhere (sorry, I might be a bit harsh here).
There is one very important factor for project at that size: patience!
cheers Jürgen
You've posted some good ideas and they may yet be implemented. I've been keeping an archive of such posts, a collection of good ideas. I agree, in the future I'd like to see at least 24 hours notice though the aim should be 36-48 hours. I just think the voting was rushed as we are kind of spinning our wheels at the moment and some want to see progress. Plus, like you said, most people are free on the weekends and this one was shortly ending.
should be 36-48 hours. I just think the voting was rushed as we are kind of spinning our wheels at the moment and some want to see progress. Plus, like you said, most people are free on the weekends and this one was shortly ending.
;) Maybe I'm getting old (and slow)...but when I left the ML yesterday it was 1:00 am, and sorry, didn't look into it before 1:00 pm today... :)
(and now I am filling up space with useless comments:)
Jürgen
Hi,
My vote has been cast. Happy voting all!
Kind regards,
Rincewynd Peter Molenaar
-----Original Message----- From: openoffice-os4-admin@samfundet.no [mailto:openoffice-os4-admin@samfundet.no] On Behalf Of Christophe Ochal Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 1:07 AM To: openoffice-os4@samfundet.no Subject: [OO.org-OS4] Voting Booth open
Hello,
I'd like to inform that the voting booth is open, and will run for 24 hours starting from now.
Please keep in mind that this is not a popularity vote, and should be taken seriously.
The voting booth can be found on http://amigadev.amigaworld.net in the "OpenOffice Internal" forum, if you can not enter the forum, contact me through this list or private mail ASAP.
Kind regards
On 10/1/05 5:45 am, "Peter Molenaar" pjmolenaar@bezeqint.net wrote:
Hi,
My vote has been cast. Happy voting all!
Going over the information all together it turns out that this is much harder than I thought. I have a feeling this is going to be close. This needs a bit more thought. If any of the candidates has the desire to sway my vote (perhaps with cash, or pizza) then feel free :-D
Christophe Ochal wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to inform that the voting booth is open, and will run for 24 hours starting from now.
Initially I was thinking this is too close as all this started not long ago and I was hoping more people will come to join.
But now I see 55 people subscribed to the list (mucho, did not count the digests), 34 different people sending mails, 25 registered at http://amigadev.amigaworld.net/ for voting (not too bad) and 17 votes (should be more) at 23:38.
Dont't you care or what, (for me) its not important who does the job, if it's done well, but this should get more attention, imho.
Now I think why wait any longer, there will probably not more than this, the one or other to join later, after others may have left. If I look at the mails from the guys I consider the most eager, they want to start doing something.
Markus
Hello Markus
On 10/01/2005, you wrote:
Christophe Ochal wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to inform that the voting booth is open, and will run for 24 hours starting from now.
Initially I was thinking this is too close as all this started not long ago and I was hoping more people will come to join.
But now I see 55 people subscribed to the list (mucho, did not count the digests), 34 different people sending mails, 25 registered at http://amigadev.amigaworld.net/ for voting (not too bad) and 17 votes (should be more) at 23:38.
Dont't you care or what, (for me) its not important who does the job, if it's done well, but this should get more attention, imho.
Now I think why wait any longer, there will probably not more than this, the one or other to join later, after others may have left. If I look at the mails from the guys I consider the most eager, they want to start doing something.
I'm not waiting on any further votes, because i kinda doubt there will be any more votes, that's why i'm pressing forward with the IRC sessions, the 4 points i want to discuss and generally get organised.
Regards
Hakuna Matata, Markus Weiss!
If I look at the mails from the guys I consider the most eager, they want to start doing something.
Usually, in such situations, those who have not voted won't have the right to complain about the "leadership", to simply put it. It may seem rude but if you stay on an endless wait, we won't have that cute-big app Amiga need :)
Hello Nibunnoichi
On 10/01/2005, you wrote:
Hakuna Matata, Markus Weiss!
If I look at the mails from the guys I consider the most eager, they want to start doing something.
Usually, in such situations, those who have not voted won't have the right to complain about the "leadership", to simply put it. It may seem rude but if you stay on an endless wait, we won't have that cute-big app Amiga need :)
Like i said earlier, those 12 hours aren't actually wasted, i've already started setting the agenda, and most of those hours i'll be sleeping & working anyway ;)
Did you guys already email Olegil about the IRC sessions?
Regards
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