It's time to get started on some more work. I mentioned yesterday that I had an idea for something that might bring in a couple of more programmers. Apoligies in advance for stepping on anyones toes here, but I think we've been a bit too silent lately. And that isn't good in the long run... The idea is this: Construct a proper dependency graph for OO.org, and then use this to construct an "enabling end-products" graph. I'm not sure what to call it, but I basically mean taking the dependecies we have in OO.org, and figuring out what other useful and/or cool pieces of software will be that much closer to a port if/when each dependency is taken care of. That way both we and people who come across some kind of source they want to port will know where to start. I'm thinking of doing it as a graphical diagram as well as a relational database (because I do both of those things a lot already). That way you could search in the database for a piece of software to see what dependencies there are and if anyone is working on them, or search for a dependency and see how useful it is. Does it sound useful? I think it would make it a lot easier for people like Captain Moo Moo and Joppe, who were both looking for projects to feed to students. Just putting all of them into the OO.org pool would be too much noise and not enough gain, but splitting them into teams to tackle smaller (but still important) parts of the project or even build other projects on top of our dependencies to extend the software base of the Amiga would be great. So we need to concentrate more on those dependencies. I know Henning has spent a shitload of time on this already, I would actually like to know at this point who _is a programmer_ and _has some time this coming weekend_ (and if yes on both points, _when_). Yes, an IRC schedule. We won't be needing non-programmers, but an hour or two of nitty gritty code reviews and notes taken which can be built into a database would be a good place to start if we want to attract some more attention. For one, it would serve as a kind of "progress report" to the outside world. I'll be sketching down the outline of a database tomorrow, if any programmers has some free time between friday evening and monday morning, european time, send me a PRIVATE EMAIL with the fixed world-clock time ( http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html ) like this: start: url-specifying-start-of-period stop: url-specifying-end-of-period repeat for each period If you have better ideas for scheduling practices, please make note of them IN ADDITION to following my wish. At least this once, we'll see if we use your ideas in the future, ok? :-) And I repeat, we really only need people who can go over code/search elsewhere to look for obvious dependencies. I'm sure we won't find all dependecies (and their order/structure, which is just as important) just yet, but maybe we can start filling in something. It would be awesome if someone could find a member of an existing oo.org porting project team and get some input there. That would actually help a lot. Of course, if people choose to ignore my idea then that is perfectly acceptable, but I hope I'll then at least get a response indicating that the email has been read but the idea rejected. Even though it ended up as a rather long email in the end... -- We'll double-cross that bridge when we get there.
Hi there. I think a visual graph like you described here is a great idea. Some might not think so..depends on the background I guess :-). But in my expeirence, such a tool is the best TODO list you can have. Not to mention it makes it visually much easier to manage priorities as well. I think it's a grand idea. Especially to give a quick outlook of what's there and what's not as well as make it easy for new comoers to see what's involved in the project and what we're waiting on next or what could get worked on independantly of other major engines. so to speak. So you definitialy have my vote on this idea :-). And you're right. those long time stretches without anything happening or being said don't help a project get help from other people :-). Excellent initiative. Stephane Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ole-Egil Hvitmyren" <olegil@samfundet.no> To: "Effort to port OpenOffice.org to AmigaOS4" <openoffice-os4@samfundet.no> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 1:16 PM Subject: [OO.org-OS4] That idea I had.
It's time to get started on some more work. I mentioned yesterday that I had an idea for something that might bring in a couple of more programmers. Apoligies in advance for stepping on anyones toes here, but I think we've been a bit too silent lately. And that isn't good in the long run...
The idea is this: Construct a proper dependency graph for OO.org, and then use this to construct an "enabling end-products" graph. I'm not sure what to call it, but I basically mean taking the dependecies we have in OO.org, and figuring out what other useful and/or cool pieces of software will be that much closer to a port if/when each dependency is taken care of. That way both we and people who come across some kind of source they want to port will know where to start.
I'm thinking of doing it as a graphical diagram as well as a relational database (because I do both of those things a lot already). That way you could search in the database for a piece of software to see what dependencies there are and if anyone is working on them, or search for a dependency and see how useful it is.
Does it sound useful? I think it would make it a lot easier for people like Captain Moo Moo and Joppe, who were both looking for projects to feed to students. Just putting all of them into the OO.org pool would be too much noise and not enough gain, but splitting them into teams to tackle smaller (but still important) parts of the project or even build other projects on top of our dependencies to extend the software base of the Amiga would be great.
So we need to concentrate more on those dependencies. I know Henning has spent a shitload of time on this already, I would actually like to know at this point who _is a programmer_ and _has some time this coming weekend_ (and if yes on both points, _when_). Yes, an IRC schedule. We won't be needing non-programmers, but an hour or two of nitty gritty code reviews and notes taken which can be built into a database would be a good place to start if we want to attract some more attention. For one, it would serve as a kind of "progress report" to the outside world.
I'll be sketching down the outline of a database tomorrow, if any programmers has some free time between friday evening and monday morning, european time, send me a PRIVATE EMAIL with the fixed world-clock time ( http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html )
like this: start: url-specifying-start-of-period stop: url-specifying-end-of-period
repeat for each period
If you have better ideas for scheduling practices, please make note of them IN ADDITION to following my wish. At least this once, we'll see if we use your ideas in the future, ok? :-)
And I repeat, we really only need people who can go over code/search elsewhere to look for obvious dependencies. I'm sure we won't find all dependecies (and their order/structure, which is just as important) just yet, but maybe we can start filling in something.
It would be awesome if someone could find a member of an existing oo.org porting project team and get some input there. That would actually help a lot.
Of course, if people choose to ignore my idea then that is perfectly acceptable, but I hope I'll then at least get a response indicating that the email has been read but the idea rejected. Even though it ended up as a rather long email in the end...
-- We'll double-cross that bridge when we get there.
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Hi Ole-Egil, First of all, thanks for your report on the show. It was a fun read :-). As for the graph & database, good ideas. If you want a 2nd opinion on your DB-design (not doubting your skills, but some people like 2nd opinions ;-) ), I should have some time over the weekend although I'm flying out again Sunday afternoon. One question concerning Captain Moo Moo & Joppe: did they state any requirements in order to be able to have students do projects that may be beneficial to us? (Like us providing project definitions/goals for instance?) Kind regards, Rincewynd / Peter -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 7/25/2005
On Mar 26 juillet 2005 20:39, Peter Molenaar a écrit :
Hi Ole-Egil,
First of all, thanks for your report on the show. It was a fun read :-).
I'm saving it up for when I get another A1 installed (probably tomorrow, but we've been promised storms, so no electronics). Could those going to Boinged in Belgium please confirm their presence to Simon Vergauwen mailto:Simon@Amigaclub.Be who appears to be going slowly mad trying to get everything organised. Heigh ho, life is but a box of wormgears.
One question concerning Captain Moo Moo & Joppe: did they state any requirements in order to be able to have students do projects that may be beneficial to us? (Like us providing project definitions/goals for instance?)
Well, Captain Moo Moo's got his µA1-C, so that's the first hurdle over. -- Rose Humphrey Amont Informatique France
Hello Ole-Egil
It's time to get started on some more work. I mentioned yesterday that I had an idea for something that might bring in a couple of more programmers. Apoligies in advance for stepping on anyones toes here, but I think we've been a bit too silent lately. And that isn't good in the long run...
The idea is this: [...] It sounds like a good idea... I will need to pack my AmigaOne down tomorrow, and it will first be able to get unpacked again on august 20th, where we are going to get our new house. I will tomorrow try to see if I can make an as complete as possible list of what is needed by OpenOffice.org, where to find it, what it does and so on... I know we have something like this, but there is something that we didn't get totally right at the first run. I will try to see if I can make something usefull tomorrow... I will not be able to code anything till after august 20th (and then I will be beginning at a new education, so I will not be sure how much time I will get :-( ), but I do have a large part of libsane and libgphoto2, that I will need to finish when I get the time.
I guess that I will only be able to make the update in an email tomorrow, but that should also be usefull. -- best regards, hnl_dk - Henning Nielsen Lund
Would an automated "dependency tree" based from a Source based Linux installation be of any use in doing any of this ? Curious, Belxjander On Tue, 2005-26-07 at 19:16 +0200, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren wrote:
It's time to get started on some more work. I mentioned yesterday that I had an idea for something that might bring in a couple of more programmers. Apoligies in advance for stepping on anyones toes here, but I think we've been a bit too silent lately. And that isn't good in the long run...
The idea is this: Construct a proper dependency graph for OO.org, and then use this to construct an "enabling end-products" graph. I'm not sure what to call it, but I basically mean taking the dependecies we have in OO.org, and figuring out what other useful and/or cool pieces of software will be that much closer to a port if/when each dependency is taken care of. That way both we and people who come across some kind of source they want to port will know where to start.
I'm thinking of doing it as a graphical diagram as well as a relational database (because I do both of those things a lot already). That way you could search in the database for a piece of software to see what dependencies there are and if anyone is working on them, or search for a dependency and see how useful it is.
Does it sound useful? I think it would make it a lot easier for people like Captain Moo Moo and Joppe, who were both looking for projects to feed to students. Just putting all of them into the OO.org pool would be too much noise and not enough gain, but splitting them into teams to tackle smaller (but still important) parts of the project or even build other projects on top of our dependencies to extend the software base of the Amiga would be great.
So we need to concentrate more on those dependencies. I know Henning has spent a shitload of time on this already, I would actually like to know at this point who _is a programmer_ and _has some time this coming weekend_ (and if yes on both points, _when_). Yes, an IRC schedule. We won't be needing non-programmers, but an hour or two of nitty gritty code reviews and notes taken which can be built into a database would be a good place to start if we want to attract some more attention. For one, it would serve as a kind of "progress report" to the outside world.
I'll be sketching down the outline of a database tomorrow, if any programmers has some free time between friday evening and monday morning, european time, send me a PRIVATE EMAIL with the fixed world-clock time ( http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html )
like this: start: url-specifying-start-of-period stop: url-specifying-end-of-period
repeat for each period
If you have better ideas for scheduling practices, please make note of them IN ADDITION to following my wish. At least this once, we'll see if we use your ideas in the future, ok? :-)
And I repeat, we really only need people who can go over code/search elsewhere to look for obvious dependencies. I'm sure we won't find all dependecies (and their order/structure, which is just as important) just yet, but maybe we can start filling in something.
It would be awesome if someone could find a member of an existing oo.org porting project team and get some input there. That would actually help a lot.
Of course, if people choose to ignore my idea then that is perfectly acceptable, but I hope I'll then at least get a response indicating that the email has been read but the idea rejected. Even though it ended up as a rather long email in the end...
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I would most certainly think so....gets update everytime something changes automatically? That would be grand :-). Stephane Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Belxjander Serechai" <belxjander_serechai@yahoo.co.nz> To: "Effort to port OpenOffice.org to AmigaOS4" <openoffice-os4@samfundet.no> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:24 AM Subject: Re: [OO.org-OS4] That idea I had.
Would an automated "dependency tree" based from a Source based Linux installation be of any use in doing any of this ?
Curious, Belxjander
On Tue, 2005-26-07 at 19:16 +0200, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren wrote:
It's time to get started on some more work. I mentioned yesterday that I had an idea for something that might bring in a couple of more programmers. Apoligies in advance for stepping on anyones toes here, but I think we've been a bit too silent lately. And that isn't good in the long run...
The idea is this: Construct a proper dependency graph for OO.org, and then use this to construct an "enabling end-products" graph. I'm not sure what to call it, but I basically mean taking the dependecies we have in OO.org, and figuring out what other useful and/or cool pieces of software will be that much closer to a port if/when each dependency is taken care of. That way both we and people who come across some kind of source they want to port will know where to start.
I'm thinking of doing it as a graphical diagram as well as a relational database (because I do both of those things a lot already). That way you could search in the database for a piece of software to see what dependencies there are and if anyone is working on them, or search for a dependency and see how useful it is.
Does it sound useful? I think it would make it a lot easier for people like Captain Moo Moo and Joppe, who were both looking for projects to feed to students. Just putting all of them into the OO.org pool would be too much noise and not enough gain, but splitting them into teams to tackle smaller (but still important) parts of the project or even build other projects on top of our dependencies to extend the software base of the Amiga would be great.
So we need to concentrate more on those dependencies. I know Henning has spent a shitload of time on this already, I would actually like to know at this point who _is a programmer_ and _has some time this coming weekend_ (and if yes on both points, _when_). Yes, an IRC schedule. We won't be needing non-programmers, but an hour or two of nitty gritty code reviews and notes taken which can be built into a database would be a good place to start if we want to attract some more attention. For one, it would serve as a kind of "progress report" to the outside world.
I'll be sketching down the outline of a database tomorrow, if any programmers has some free time between friday evening and monday morning, european time, send me a PRIVATE EMAIL with the fixed world-clock time ( http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html )
like this: start: url-specifying-start-of-period stop: url-specifying-end-of-period
repeat for each period
If you have better ideas for scheduling practices, please make note of them IN ADDITION to following my wish. At least this once, we'll see if we use your ideas in the future, ok? :-)
And I repeat, we really only need people who can go over code/search elsewhere to look for obvious dependencies. I'm sure we won't find all dependecies (and their order/structure, which is just as important) just yet, but maybe we can start filling in something.
It would be awesome if someone could find a member of an existing oo.org porting project team and get some input there. That would actually help a lot.
Of course, if people choose to ignore my idea then that is perfectly acceptable, but I hope I'll then at least get a response indicating that the email has been read but the idea rejected. Even though it ended up as a rather long email in the end...
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SourceMage Gnu/linux "gaze" tool includes full dependancy information... and I can automate a bash script to run dependency information... or allow an ssh login... but I can't have ssh or leave the machine actively online as much as I would like :/ Belxjander On Wed, 2005-27-07 at 13:32 -0400, stephane richard wrote:
I would most certainly think so....gets update everytime something changes automatically? That would be grand :-).
Stephane Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Belxjander Serechai" <belxjander_serechai@yahoo.co.nz> To: "Effort to port OpenOffice.org to AmigaOS4" <openoffice-os4@samfundet.no> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:24 AM Subject: Re: [OO.org-OS4] That idea I had.
Would an automated "dependency tree" based from a Source based Linux installation be of any use in doing any of this ?
Curious, Belxjander
On Tue, 2005-26-07 at 19:16 +0200, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren wrote:
It's time to get started on some more work. I mentioned yesterday that I had an idea for something that might bring in a couple of more programmers. Apoligies in advance for stepping on anyones toes here, but I think we've been a bit too silent lately. And that isn't good in the long run...
The idea is this: Construct a proper dependency graph for OO.org, and then use this to construct an "enabling end-products" graph. I'm not sure what to call it, but I basically mean taking the dependecies we have in OO.org, and figuring out what other useful and/or cool pieces of software will be that much closer to a port if/when each dependency is taken care of. That way both we and people who come across some kind of source they want to port will know where to start.
I'm thinking of doing it as a graphical diagram as well as a relational database (because I do both of those things a lot already). That way you could search in the database for a piece of software to see what dependencies there are and if anyone is working on them, or search for a dependency and see how useful it is.
Does it sound useful? I think it would make it a lot easier for people like Captain Moo Moo and Joppe, who were both looking for projects to feed to students. Just putting all of them into the OO.org pool would be too much noise and not enough gain, but splitting them into teams to tackle smaller (but still important) parts of the project or even build other projects on top of our dependencies to extend the software base of the Amiga would be great.
So we need to concentrate more on those dependencies. I know Henning has spent a shitload of time on this already, I would actually like to know at this point who _is a programmer_ and _has some time this coming weekend_ (and if yes on both points, _when_). Yes, an IRC schedule. We won't be needing non-programmers, but an hour or two of nitty gritty code reviews and notes taken which can be built into a database would be a good place to start if we want to attract some more attention. For one, it would serve as a kind of "progress report" to the outside world.
I'll be sketching down the outline of a database tomorrow, if any programmers has some free time between friday evening and monday morning, european time, send me a PRIVATE EMAIL with the fixed world-clock time ( http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html )
like this: start: url-specifying-start-of-period stop: url-specifying-end-of-period
repeat for each period
If you have better ideas for scheduling practices, please make note of them IN ADDITION to following my wish. At least this once, we'll see if we use your ideas in the future, ok? :-)
And I repeat, we really only need people who can go over code/search elsewhere to look for obvious dependencies. I'm sure we won't find all dependecies (and their order/structure, which is just as important) just yet, but maybe we can start filling in something.
It would be awesome if someone could find a member of an existing oo.org porting project team and get some input there. That would actually help a lot.
Of course, if people choose to ignore my idea then that is perfectly acceptable, but I hope I'll then at least get a response indicating that the email has been read but the idea rejected. Even though it ended up as a rather long email in the end...
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SourceMage Gnu/linux "gaze" tool includes full dependancy information... and I can automate a bash script to run dependency information...
Great :-D If You make this, then I will try to comment this dependency information :-) I have done some work, but it is very big... It would be more easy if You could make this first step ;-)
or allow an ssh login... but I can't have ssh or leave the machine actively online as much as I would like :/
Ok... When we get this info, I would like to comment it, as soon as I get online again... I have "lost" my AmigaOne for now (am using the notebook of my wife), and am loosing my internet connection this weekend :-( I will try to assamble some of the information that I have made so far, and send it later tonight, or at latest this weekend.
Belxjander
On Wed, 2005-27-07 at 13:32 -0400, stephane richard wrote:
I would most certainly think so....gets update everytime something changes automatically? That would be grand :-).
Stephane Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Belxjander Serechai" <belxjander_serechai@yahoo.co.nz> To: "Effort to port OpenOffice.org to AmigaOS4" <openoffice-os4@samfundet.no> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:24 AM Subject: Re: [OO.org-OS4] That idea I had.
Would an automated "dependency tree" based from a Source based Linux installation be of any use in doing any of this ?
Curious, Belxjander
On Tue, 2005-26-07 at 19:16 +0200, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren wrote:
It's time to get started on some more work. I mentioned yesterday
that I
had an idea for something that might bring in a couple of more programmers. Apoligies in advance for stepping on anyones toes here, but I think we've been a bit too silent lately. And that isn't good in the long run...
The idea is this: Construct a proper dependency graph for OO.org, and then use this to construct an "enabling end-products" graph. I'm not sure what to call it, but I basically mean taking the dependecies we have in OO.org, and figuring out what other useful and/or cool pieces of software will be that much closer to a port if/when each dependency is taken care of. That way both we and people who come across some kind of source they want to port will know where to start.
I'm thinking of doing it as a graphical diagram as well as a relational database (because I do both of those things a lot already). That way you could search in the database for a piece of software to see what dependencies there are and if anyone is working on them, or search for a dependency and see how useful it is.
Does it sound useful? I think it would make it a lot easier for people like Captain Moo Moo and Joppe, who were both looking for projects to feed to students. Just putting all of them into the OO.org pool would be too much noise and not enough gain, but splitting them into teams to tackle smaller (but still important) parts of the project or even build other projects on top of our dependencies to extend the software base of the Amiga would be great.
So we need to concentrate more on those dependencies. I know Henning has spent a shitload of time on this already, I would actually like to know at this point who _is a programmer_ and _has some time this coming weekend_ (and if yes on both points, _when_). Yes, an IRC schedule. We won't be needing non-programmers, but an hour or two of nitty gritty code reviews and notes taken which can be built into a database would be a good place to start if we want to attract some more attention. For one, it would serve as a kind of "progress report" to the outside world.
I'll be sketching down the outline of a database tomorrow, if any programmers has some free time between friday evening and monday morning, european time, send me a PRIVATE EMAIL with the fixed world-clock time ( http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html )
like this: start: url-specifying-start-of-period stop: url-specifying-end-of-period
repeat for each period
If you have better ideas for scheduling practices, please make note of them IN ADDITION to following my wish. At least this once, we'll see if we use your ideas in the future, ok? :-)
And I repeat, we really only need people who can go over code/search elsewhere to look for obvious dependencies. I'm sure we won't find all dependecies (and their order/structure, which is just as important) just yet, but maybe we can start filling in something.
It would be awesome if someone could find a member of an existing oo.org porting project team and get some input there. That would actually help a lot.
Of course, if people choose to ignore my idea then that is perfectly acceptable, but I hope I'll then at least get a response indicating that the email has been read but the idea rejected. Even though it ended up as a rather long email in the end...
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-- best regards, hnl_dk - Henning Nielsen Lund
Hi all, If this helps, here ya go. It's gentoo, but done in a second, and should match the base dependencies for OO fairly quickly. Ignore the entry for portage and debian-utils... (and no making fun of the machine name, it's a Dell(!!!) wegster@dude ~/work $ equery depgraph openoffice-bin [ Searching for packages matching openoffice-bin... ] * dependency graph for app-office/openoffice-bin-1.1.4-r1 `-- app-office/openoffice-bin-1.1.4-r1 `-- sys-libs/glibc-2.3.5 (virtual/libc) [ !app-office/openoffice ] `-- sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.6.11-r2 (virtual/os-headers) `-- sys-devel/gettext-0.14.4 `-- dev-lang/perl-5.8.6-r5 `-- sys-devel/libperl-5.8.6-r1 `-- sys-libs/db-4.2.52_p2 `-- dev-lang/tcl-8.4.9 `-- dev-java/blackdown-jre-1.4.2.02 (virtual/jre) [ java ] `-- dev-java/java-config-1.2.11 `-- dev-lang/python-2.3.5 (virtual/python) `-- sys-libs/zlib-1.2.3 `-- dev-lang/tk-8.4.9 `-- sys-apps/sed-4.1.4 `-- sys-apps/portage-2.0.51.22-r2 `-- dev-python/python-fchksum-1.7.1 `-- sys-apps/debianutils-2.13.1-r1 `-- app-shells/bash-3.0-r12 `-- sys-apps/sandbox-1.2.11 `-- x11-base/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r2 (virtual/x11) `-- sys-devel/flex-2.5.4a-r5 `-- dev-libs/expat-1.95.8 `-- media-libs/freetype-2.1.10 `-- media-libs/fontconfig-2.2.3 `-- x11-base/opengl-update-2.2.1 `-- app-arch/bzip2-1.0.3-r4 `-- x11-misc/ttmkfdir-3.0.9-r3 `-- media-libs/libpng-1.2.8 `-- sys-libs/ncurses-5.4-r6 `-- sys-libs/gpm-1.20.1-r4 `-- sys-libs/readline-5.0-r2 `-- sys-libs/gdbm-1.8.3-r1 `-- dev-libs/openssl-0.9.7e-r1 `-- dev-python/python-docs-2.3.5 `-- app-arch/zip-2.3-r4 `-- app-arch/unzip-5.50-r2 Scott Henning Nielsen Lund wrote:
SourceMage Gnu/linux "gaze" tool includes full dependancy information... and I can automate a bash script to run dependency information...
Great :-D
If You make this, then I will try to comment this dependency information :-) I have done some work, but it is very big... It would be more easy if You could make this first step ;-)
or allow an ssh login... but I can't have ssh or leave the machine actively online as much as I would like :/
Ok... When we get this info, I would like to comment it, as soon as I get online again...
I have "lost" my AmigaOne for now (am using the notebook of my wife), and am loosing my internet connection this weekend :-(
I will try to assamble some of the information that I have made so far, and send it later tonight, or at latest this weekend.
Belxjander
On Wed, 2005-27-07 at 13:32 -0400, stephane richard wrote:
I would most certainly think so....gets update everytime something changes automatically? That would be grand :-).
Stephane Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Belxjander Serechai" <belxjander_serechai@yahoo.co.nz> To: "Effort to port OpenOffice.org to AmigaOS4" <openoffice-os4@samfundet.no> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:24 AM Subject: Re: [OO.org-OS4] That idea I had.
Would an automated "dependency tree" based from a Source based Linux installation be of any use in doing any of this ?
Curious, Belxjander
On Tue, 2005-26-07 at 19:16 +0200, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren wrote:
It's time to get started on some more work. I mentioned yesterday
that I
had an idea for something that might bring in a couple of more programmers. Apoligies in advance for stepping on anyones toes here,
but
I think we've been a bit too silent lately. And that isn't good in
the
long run...
The idea is this: Construct a proper dependency graph for OO.org, and then use this to construct an "enabling end-products" graph. I'm not sure what to call it, but I basically mean taking the dependecies we have in OO.org,
and
figuring out what other useful and/or cool pieces of software will be that much closer to a port if/when each dependency is taken care of. That way both we and people who come across some kind of source they want to port will know where to start.
I'm thinking of doing it as a graphical diagram as well as a
relational
database (because I do both of those things a lot already). That way
you
could search in the database for a piece of software to see what dependencies there are and if anyone is working on them, or search
for a
dependency and see how useful it is.
Does it sound useful? I think it would make it a lot easier for
people
like Captain Moo Moo and Joppe, who were both looking for projects to feed to students. Just putting all of them into the OO.org pool would
be
too much noise and not enough gain, but splitting them into teams to tackle smaller (but still important) parts of the project or even
build
other projects on top of our dependencies to extend the software base
of
the Amiga would be great.
So we need to concentrate more on those dependencies. I know Henning
has
spent a shitload of time on this already, I would actually like to
know
at this point who _is a programmer_ and _has some time this coming weekend_ (and if yes on both points, _when_). Yes, an IRC schedule.
We
won't be needing non-programmers, but an hour or two of nitty gritty code reviews and notes taken which can be built into a database would
be
a good place to start if we want to attract some more attention. For one, it would serve as a kind of "progress report" to the outside
world.
I'll be sketching down the outline of a database tomorrow, if any programmers has some free time between friday evening and monday morning, european time, send me a PRIVATE EMAIL with the fixed world-clock time (
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html )
like this: start: url-specifying-start-of-period stop: url-specifying-end-of-period
repeat for each period
If you have better ideas for scheduling practices, please make note
of
them IN ADDITION to following my wish. At least this once, we'll see
if
we use your ideas in the future, ok? :-)
And I repeat, we really only need people who can go over code/search elsewhere to look for obvious dependencies. I'm sure we won't find
all
dependecies (and their order/structure, which is just as important)
just
yet, but maybe we can start filling in something.
It would be awesome if someone could find a member of an existing
oo.org
porting project team and get some input there. That would actually
help
a lot.
Of course, if people choose to ignore my idea then that is perfectly acceptable, but I hope I'll then at least get a response indicating
that
the email has been read but the idea rejected. Even though it ended
up
as a rather long email in the end...
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Hi all,
If this helps, here ya go. It's gentoo, but done in a second, and should match the base dependencies for OO fairly quickly.
Sorry, but we are going to port OOo2 (at the moment OOo 1.9.x), looks like this is 1.1.4 ;-) What I have done so far is to download the OOo2 cvs... have written down every head directory from OOo2 * (see below)... Have had a look at the configuration files, to have an idea of for what things are going to get used (but it is very big - I have not yet written this down, but have it in my head - will check it again, when I will write everything down)... Have been Checking websites, to see what things are, where to get them, and what it is used for... If I could get some sort of dependency list for OOo2(beta), would I like to make a list of what things are used for, where to get it (some external libraries are very much patched by OOo, and the patch is included directly into the OOo CVS), if they should be used for the Amiga port, and what they may be able to be used for... I will update the list when I have something finished, but it could take some weeks after I have got the dependency list, till I will be able to finish my document (as I might be totally without internet until august 20th. and have a lot to do after that day). *The main directory of OOo2 (CVS from yesterday): Accessibility Animations Autodoc Automation Avmedia Basctl Basegfx Basic Bean Beanshell Berkeleydb Binfilter Bitstream_vera_fonts Boost Bridges Canvas Chart2 Cli_ure Codemaker Comphelper Configmgr Config_office Connectivity Cosv Cppcanvas Cppu Cppuhelper Cpputools Crashrep Curl Dbaccess Default_images Desktop Dictionaries Dmake Dtrans Embeddedobj Embedserv Epm Eventattacher Expat Extensions External Extras Fileaccess Filter Forms Fpicker Framework Freetype Goodies Helpcontent2 Hsqldb Hwpfilter I18npool I18nutil Icu Idl Idlc Instsetoo_native Io Javaunohelper Jpeg Jurt Jut Jvmaccess Jvmfwk Libwpd Libxml2 Libxmlsec Lingucomponent Linguistic MathMLDTD Moz Msfontextract Nas Neon Netbeans_integration Np_sdk Odk Offapi Officecfg Offuh Ooo_custom_images Package Padmin Portaudio Postprocess Psprint Psprint_config Python Pyuno QadevOOo Rdbmaker Readlicense_oo Regexp Registry Remotebridges Rhino Ridljar Rsc Rvpapi Sablot Sal Salhelper Sandbox Sane Sax Sc Scaddins Sch Scp2 Scripting Sd Sdk_oo Setup_native Sfx2 Shell Sj2 Slideshow Smoketestoo_native Sndfile So3 Solenv Soltools Sot Starmath Stlport Stoc Store Svtools Svx Sw Sysui Testshl Testshl2 Testtools Toolkit Tools Transex3 Twain Ucb Ucbhelper Udkapi Udm UnixODBC UnoControls Unoil Unotools Unoxml Unzip Ure Uui Vcl Vos Wizards Writerperfect X11_extensions Xalan Xmerge Xml2cmp Xmlhelp Xmloff Xmlscript XmlSearch Xmlsecurity Zlib
Ignore the entry for portage and debian-utils...
(and no making fun of the machine name, it's a Dell(!!!)
wegster@dude ~/work $ equery depgraph openoffice-bin [ Searching for packages matching openoffice-bin... ] * dependency graph for app-office/openoffice-bin-1.1.4-r1 `-- app-office/openoffice-bin-1.1.4-r1 `-- sys-libs/glibc-2.3.5 (virtual/libc) [ !app-office/openoffice ] `-- sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.6.11-r2 (virtual/os-headers) `-- sys-devel/gettext-0.14.4 `-- dev-lang/perl-5.8.6-r5 `-- sys-devel/libperl-5.8.6-r1 `-- sys-libs/db-4.2.52_p2 `-- dev-lang/tcl-8.4.9 `-- dev-java/blackdown-jre-1.4.2.02 (virtual/jre) [ java ] `-- dev-java/java-config-1.2.11 `-- dev-lang/python-2.3.5 (virtual/python) `-- sys-libs/zlib-1.2.3 `-- dev-lang/tk-8.4.9 `-- sys-apps/sed-4.1.4 `-- sys-apps/portage-2.0.51.22-r2 `-- dev-python/python-fchksum-1.7.1 `-- sys-apps/debianutils-2.13.1-r1 `-- app-shells/bash-3.0-r12 `-- sys-apps/sandbox-1.2.11 `-- x11-base/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r2 (virtual/x11) `-- sys-devel/flex-2.5.4a-r5 `-- dev-libs/expat-1.95.8 `-- media-libs/freetype-2.1.10 `-- media-libs/fontconfig-2.2.3 `-- x11-base/opengl-update-2.2.1 `-- app-arch/bzip2-1.0.3-r4 `-- x11-misc/ttmkfdir-3.0.9-r3 `-- media-libs/libpng-1.2.8 `-- sys-libs/ncurses-5.4-r6 `-- sys-libs/gpm-1.20.1-r4 `-- sys-libs/readline-5.0-r2 `-- sys-libs/gdbm-1.8.3-r1 `-- dev-libs/openssl-0.9.7e-r1 `-- dev-python/python-docs-2.3.5 `-- app-arch/zip-2.3-r4 `-- app-arch/unzip-5.50-r2
Scott
Henning Nielsen Lund wrote:
SourceMage Gnu/linux "gaze" tool includes full dependancy information... and I can automate a bash script to run dependency information...
Great :-D
If You make this, then I will try to comment this dependency information :-) I have done some work, but it is very big... It would be more easy if You could make this first step ;-)
or allow an ssh login... but I can't have ssh or leave the machine actively online as much as I would like :/
Ok... When we get this info, I would like to comment it, as soon as I get online again...
I have "lost" my AmigaOne for now (am using the notebook of my wife), and am loosing my internet connection this weekend :-(
I will try to assamble some of the information that I have made so far, and send it later tonight, or at latest this weekend.
Belxjander
On Wed, 2005-27-07 at 13:32 -0400, stephane richard wrote:
I would most certainly think so....gets update everytime something changes automatically? That would be grand :-).
Stephane Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Belxjander Serechai" <belxjander_serechai@yahoo.co.nz> To: "Effort to port OpenOffice.org to AmigaOS4" <openoffice-os4@samfundet.no> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:24 AM Subject: Re: [OO.org-OS4] That idea I had.
Would an automated "dependency tree" based from a Source based Linux installation be of any use in doing any of this ?
Curious, Belxjander
On Tue, 2005-26-07 at 19:16 +0200, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren wrote:
It's time to get started on some more work. I mentioned yesterday
that I
had an idea for something that might bring in a couple of more programmers. Apoligies in advance for stepping on anyones toes here,
but
I think we've been a bit too silent lately. And that isn't good in
the
long run...
The idea is this: Construct a proper dependency graph for OO.org, and then use this to construct an "enabling end-products" graph. I'm not sure what to call it, but I basically mean taking the dependecies we have in OO.org,
and
figuring out what other useful and/or cool pieces of software will be that much closer to a port if/when each dependency is taken care of. That way both we and people who come across some kind of source they want to port will know where to start.
I'm thinking of doing it as a graphical diagram as well as a
relational
database (because I do both of those things a lot already). That way
you
could search in the database for a piece of software to see what dependencies there are and if anyone is working on them, or search
for a
dependency and see how useful it is.
Does it sound useful? I think it would make it a lot easier for
people
like Captain Moo Moo and Joppe, who were both looking for projects to feed to students. Just putting all of them into the OO.org pool would
be
too much noise and not enough gain, but splitting them into teams to tackle smaller (but still important) parts of the project or even
build
other projects on top of our dependencies to extend the software base
of
the Amiga would be great.
So we need to concentrate more on those dependencies. I know Henning
has
spent a shitload of time on this already, I would actually like to
know
at this point who _is a programmer_ and _has some time this coming weekend_ (and if yes on both points, _when_). Yes, an IRC schedule.
We
won't be needing non-programmers, but an hour or two of nitty gritty code reviews and notes taken which can be built into a database would
be
a good place to start if we want to attract some more attention. For one, it would serve as a kind of "progress report" to the outside
world.
I'll be sketching down the outline of a database tomorrow, if any programmers has some free time between friday evening and monday morning, european time, send me a PRIVATE EMAIL with the fixed world-clock time (
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html )
like this: start: url-specifying-start-of-period stop: url-specifying-end-of-period
repeat for each period
If you have better ideas for scheduling practices, please make note
of
them IN ADDITION to following my wish. At least this once, we'll see
if
we use your ideas in the future, ok? :-)
And I repeat, we really only need people who can go over code/search elsewhere to look for obvious dependencies. I'm sure we won't find
all
dependecies (and their order/structure, which is just as important)
just
yet, but maybe we can start filling in something.
It would be awesome if someone could find a member of an existing
oo.org
porting project team and get some input there. That would actually
help
a lot.
Of course, if people choose to ignore my idea then that is perfectly acceptable, but I hope I'll then at least get a response indicating
that
the email has been read but the idea rejected. Even though it ended
up
as a rather long email in the end...
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Okay then... Email an outline of what is needed and I can do dated snapshots of the dependency tree along with give requirements for the scripting itself to function for what is needed SourceMage package management "sorcery" package scripting is pure bash and doesn't require all that much to run on "other" distributions also has a PPC branch... so once I finally get my own hands on an A1 I'll be installing a HDD with SourceMage side by side with AOS4 just for some source access :) On Wed, 2005-27-07 at 22:34 +0200, Henning Nielsen Lund wrote:
SourceMage Gnu/linux "gaze" tool includes full dependancy information... and I can automate a bash script to run dependency information...
Great :-D
If You make this, then I will try to comment this dependency information :-) I have done some work, but it is very big... It would be more easy if You could make this first step ;-)
or allow an ssh login... but I can't have ssh or leave the machine actively online as much as I would like :/
Ok... When we get this info, I would like to comment it, as soon as I get online again...
I have "lost" my AmigaOne for now (am using the notebook of my wife), and am loosing my internet connection this weekend :-(
I will try to assamble some of the information that I have made so far, and send it later tonight, or at latest this weekend.
Belxjander
On Wed, 2005-27-07 at 13:32 -0400, stephane richard wrote:
I would most certainly think so....gets update everytime something changes automatically? That would be grand :-).
Stephane Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Belxjander Serechai" <belxjander_serechai@yahoo.co.nz> To: "Effort to port OpenOffice.org to AmigaOS4" <openoffice-os4@samfundet.no> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:24 AM Subject: Re: [OO.org-OS4] That idea I had.
Would an automated "dependency tree" based from a Source based Linux installation be of any use in doing any of this ?
Curious, Belxjander
On Tue, 2005-26-07 at 19:16 +0200, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren wrote:
It's time to get started on some more work. I mentioned yesterday
that I
had an idea for something that might bring in a couple of more programmers. Apoligies in advance for stepping on anyones toes here, but I think we've been a bit too silent lately. And that isn't good in the long run...
The idea is this: Construct a proper dependency graph for OO.org, and then use this to construct an "enabling end-products" graph. I'm not sure what to call it, but I basically mean taking the dependecies we have in OO.org, and figuring out what other useful and/or cool pieces of software will be that much closer to a port if/when each dependency is taken care of. That way both we and people who come across some kind of source they want to port will know where to start.
I'm thinking of doing it as a graphical diagram as well as a relational database (because I do both of those things a lot already). That way you could search in the database for a piece of software to see what dependencies there are and if anyone is working on them, or search for a dependency and see how useful it is.
Does it sound useful? I think it would make it a lot easier for people like Captain Moo Moo and Joppe, who were both looking for projects to feed to students. Just putting all of them into the OO.org pool would be too much noise and not enough gain, but splitting them into teams to tackle smaller (but still important) parts of the project or even build other projects on top of our dependencies to extend the software base of the Amiga would be great.
So we need to concentrate more on those dependencies. I know Henning has spent a shitload of time on this already, I would actually like to know at this point who _is a programmer_ and _has some time this coming weekend_ (and if yes on both points, _when_). Yes, an IRC schedule. We won't be needing non-programmers, but an hour or two of nitty gritty code reviews and notes taken which can be built into a database would be a good place to start if we want to attract some more attention. For one, it would serve as a kind of "progress report" to the outside world.
I'll be sketching down the outline of a database tomorrow, if any programmers has some free time between friday evening and monday morning, european time, send me a PRIVATE EMAIL with the fixed world-clock time ( http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html )
like this: start: url-specifying-start-of-period stop: url-specifying-end-of-period
repeat for each period
If you have better ideas for scheduling practices, please make note of them IN ADDITION to following my wish. At least this once, we'll see if we use your ideas in the future, ok? :-)
And I repeat, we really only need people who can go over code/search elsewhere to look for obvious dependencies. I'm sure we won't find all dependecies (and their order/structure, which is just as important) just yet, but maybe we can start filling in something.
It would be awesome if someone could find a member of an existing oo.org porting project team and get some input there. That would actually help a lot.
Of course, if people choose to ignore my idea then that is perfectly acceptable, but I hope I'll then at least get a response indicating that the email has been read but the idea rejected. Even though it ended up as a rather long email in the end...
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SourceMage Gnu/linux "gaze" tool includes full dependancy information... and I can automate a bash script to run dependency information...
And a little question... do you know if it is going to include functions (so we can check how many functions we need to implement - that are not part of clib2 or newlib)?
or allow an ssh login... but I can't have ssh or leave the machine actively online as much as I would like :/
Belxjander
On Wed, 2005-27-07 at 13:32 -0400, stephane richard wrote:
I would most certainly think so....gets update everytime something changes automatically? That would be grand :-).
Stephane Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Belxjander Serechai" <belxjander_serechai@yahoo.co.nz> To: "Effort to port OpenOffice.org to AmigaOS4" <openoffice-os4@samfundet.no> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:24 AM Subject: Re: [OO.org-OS4] That idea I had.
Would an automated "dependency tree" based from a Source based Linux installation be of any use in doing any of this ?
Curious, Belxjander
On Tue, 2005-26-07 at 19:16 +0200, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren wrote:
It's time to get started on some more work. I mentioned yesterday
that I
had an idea for something that might bring in a couple of more programmers. Apoligies in advance for stepping on anyones toes here, but I think we've been a bit too silent lately. And that isn't good in the long run...
The idea is this: Construct a proper dependency graph for OO.org, and then use this to construct an "enabling end-products" graph. I'm not sure what to call it, but I basically mean taking the dependecies we have in OO.org, and figuring out what other useful and/or cool pieces of software will be that much closer to a port if/when each dependency is taken care of. That way both we and people who come across some kind of source they want to port will know where to start.
I'm thinking of doing it as a graphical diagram as well as a relational database (because I do both of those things a lot already). That way you could search in the database for a piece of software to see what dependencies there are and if anyone is working on them, or search for a dependency and see how useful it is.
Does it sound useful? I think it would make it a lot easier for people like Captain Moo Moo and Joppe, who were both looking for projects to feed to students. Just putting all of them into the OO.org pool would be too much noise and not enough gain, but splitting them into teams to tackle smaller (but still important) parts of the project or even build other projects on top of our dependencies to extend the software base of the Amiga would be great.
So we need to concentrate more on those dependencies. I know Henning has spent a shitload of time on this already, I would actually like to know at this point who _is a programmer_ and _has some time this coming weekend_ (and if yes on both points, _when_). Yes, an IRC schedule. We won't be needing non-programmers, but an hour or two of nitty gritty code reviews and notes taken which can be built into a database would be a good place to start if we want to attract some more attention. For one, it would serve as a kind of "progress report" to the outside world.
I'll be sketching down the outline of a database tomorrow, if any programmers has some free time between friday evening and monday morning, european time, send me a PRIVATE EMAIL with the fixed world-clock time ( http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html )
like this: start: url-specifying-start-of-period stop: url-specifying-end-of-period
repeat for each period
If you have better ideas for scheduling practices, please make note of them IN ADDITION to following my wish. At least this once, we'll see if we use your ideas in the future, ok? :-)
And I repeat, we really only need people who can go over code/search elsewhere to look for obvious dependencies. I'm sure we won't find all dependecies (and their order/structure, which is just as important) just yet, but maybe we can start filling in something.
It would be awesome if someone could find a member of an existing oo.org porting project team and get some input there. That would actually help a lot.
Of course, if people choose to ignore my idea then that is perfectly acceptable, but I hope I'll then at least get a response indicating that the email has been read but the idea rejected. Even though it ended up as a rather long email in the end...
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Hi Henning, Henning Nielsen Lund wrote:
And a little question... do you know if it is going to include functions (so we can check how many functions we need to implement - that are not part of clib2 or newlib)?
Ouch. You want a call stack graph, or similar. I'd be impressed if the other tool does that, considering it's spanning languages..hekc, I'd just be impressed, we'll leave it at that. I also sent the last email prior to reading this one, so not sure if the 'base' dependencies list was useful or not. If not, sorry, back to lurk mode I go :-( Scott
Hi Henning,
Hi' Scott
Henning Nielsen Lund wrote:
And a little question... do you know if it is going to include functions (so we can check how many functions we need to implement - that are not part of clib2 or newlib)?
Ouch. You want a call stack graph, or similar. I'd be impressed if the other tool does that, considering it's spanning languages..hekc, I'd just be impressed, we'll leave it at that.
I don't know what the other tool does, but I hope that it is able to do it ;-)
I also sent the last email prior to reading this one, so not sure if the 'base' dependencies list was useful or not. If not, sorry, back to lurk mode I go :-(
no problem, if You could get OOo2 beta for gentoo and make the same with that, could it be usefull ;-)
Scott
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Hi Henning, Henning Nielsen Lund wrote:
Hi Henning,
Hi' Scott
Henning Nielsen Lund wrote:
And a little question... do you know if it is going to include functions (so we can check how many functions we need to implement - that are not part of clib2 or newlib)?
Ouch. You want a call stack graph, or similar. I'd be impressed if the other tool does that, considering it's spanning languages..hekc, I'd just be impressed, we'll leave it at that.
I don't know what the other tool does, but I hope that it is able to do it ;-)
Belx just claimed he can do it, although I took a quick look at the mentioned tool. I seem to remember talking to someone about that Linux distro (SourceMage) in AW IRC...the mentioned tool looks like a combination of gentoo portage + portage tools from the brief look at it I took. Regarding newlib/clib2 dependencies (to Belxjander), I'd expect any sort of call stack the shrunk down to a single instance of functions used in glibc would be ideal, if you're able to do it...preferably with their prototypes (why not hope for it 'all'? ;-), at which point the mentioned comparison/verification of implemented functions can be checked against AOS newlib or clib2. Not to mention the fact that in worst case, man pages and Linux docs are easily enough accessible, versus trying to build the tool on top of newlib.
I also sent the last email prior to reading this one, so not sure if the 'base' dependencies list was useful or not. If not, sorry, back to lurk mode I go :-(
no problem, if You could get OOo2 beta for gentoo and make the same with that, could it be usefull ;-)
Yes, that would be good. I even knew that (OOo 2). Sorry, I'm a dork, I'll see if I can get that tonight. Scott
Scott
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Sppliced into the quoted...see more inserts :) On Wed, 2005-27-07 at 17:44 -0400, Scott W wrote:
Hi Henning, Henning Nielsen Lund wrote:
Hi Henning,
Hi' Scott
Henning Nielsen Lund wrote:
And a little question... do you know if it is going to include functions (so we can check how many functions we need to implement - that are not part of clib2 or newlib)?
Ouch. You want a call stack graph, or similar. I'd be impressed if the other tool does that, considering it's spanning languages..hekc, I'd just be impressed, we'll leave it at that.
I don't know what the other tool does, but I hope that it is able to do it ;-)
Belx just claimed he can do it, although I took a quick look at the mentioned tool. I seem to remember talking to someone about that Linux distro (SourceMage) in AW IRC...the mentioned tool looks like a combination of gentoo portage + portage tools from the brief look at it I took.
I can only but try...
Regarding newlib/clib2 dependencies (to Belxjander), I'd expect any sort of call stack the shrunk down to a single instance of functions used in glibc would be ideal, if you're able to do it...preferably with their prototypes (why not hope for it 'all'? ;-), at which point the mentioned comparison/verification of implemented functions can be checked against AOS newlib or clib2. Not to mention the fact that in worst case, man pages and Linux docs are easily enough accessible, versus trying to build the tool on top of newlib.
so going right down to exported functions in shared objects would be a nice start?
I also sent the last email prior to reading this one, so not sure if the 'base' dependencies list was useful or not. If not, sorry, back to lurk mode I go :-(
no problem, if You could get OOo2 beta for gentoo and make the same with that, could it be usefull ;-)
Yes, that would be good. I even knew that (OOo 2). Sorry, I'm a dork, I'll see if I can get that tonight.
Scott
I also need the OOo2 beta dataset to work from the "configure" mechanism included to start with as well... otherwise I can only work from what little dependencies I can reference as on the websites "cvs2web" access... which may be a bit much time to spend online all at once ... Ive already overloaded this little laptops HDD somewhat completely already... just considering wiping a whole 20GB partition already just to have space for working with... Belxjander Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
I can include functions if I extend past gaze and check additional information... since I can create a list of binary objects installed along with other objects installed and check the file type and respond with full ldd information from the install log entries that respond as "executable" object type... how much information is needed as it'll be a toshiba tecra laptop On Wed, 2005-27-07 at 16:53 -0400, Scott W wrote:
Hi Henning,
Henning Nielsen Lund wrote:
And a little question... do you know if it is going to include functions (so we can check how many functions we need to implement - that are not part of clib2 or newlib)?
thats why I asked for a template outline... but it would all be "glibc" c library linkage... not "newlib"/"clib2" as I am entirely unsure how that differs from the above I can only work from the installed system I am using unfortunately
Ouch. You want a call stack graph, or similar. I'd be impressed if the other tool does that, considering it's spanning languages..hekc, I'd just be impressed, we'll leave it at that.
I also sent the last email prior to reading this one, so not sure if the 'base' dependencies list was useful or not. If not, sorry, back to lurk mode I go :-(
I can do things graphically if I spend a bit more time... otherwise i will have to do a whole folder tree and seperate text information by what is needed so rather a LOT of generated data (Im already running seriously short on diskspace as-is) so ... needing to get offline for now and also needing a clear idea... will get replies later when I get back online... as soon as I see a template I can do a package level graphic... including version change tracking as well if needed over time... additionally I can also throw in information about installed packages on this laptop as well... would need to rebuild sourcemage on top of newlib/clib2 instead of glibc to have portability to AmigaOS sped up... Belxjander Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
Belxjander Serechai wrote:
Would an automated "dependency tree" based from a Source based Linux installation be of any use in doing any of this ?
Don't forget we also need the internal dependencies, because there are a multitude of libraries and applications included as source code in the OO.org source tree. These won't be listed as dependencies since the source is "self contained", but they still need to be ported. -- We'll double-cross that bridge when we get there.
On Thu, 2005-28-07 at 10:54 +0200, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren wrote:
Belxjander Serechai wrote:
Would an automated "dependency tree" based from a Source based Linux installation be of any use in doing any of this ?
Don't forget we also need the internal dependencies, because there are a multitude of libraries and applications included as source code in the OO.org source tree. These won't be listed as dependencies since the source is "self contained", but they still need to be ported.
thats why I referenced usage of the configure scripting to breakdown the Makefiles generated and possibly making an "alternate" that created depends information Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
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