Hello,
Could everyone check the human resources list & see if it is complete:
Management & Website/forum: Amon_Re DaveyD
SVN Server & Mailinglist: Olegil
Coders: Alexw Olegil hnl_dk EntilZha Rogue RockDemon ArchProgrammer MystikShadows turboalan mausle SieGeL
Betatesters, Documentation, translators: Ferry Nibunnoichi
Graphics: Mason
Kind regards
Hi,
Feel free to add me to documentation, translation and testing :-).
Kind regards,
Rincewynd Peter Molenaar
-----Original Message----- From: openoffice-os4-admin@samfundet.no [mailto:openoffice-os4-admin@samfundet.no] On Behalf Of Christophe Ochal Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 5:19 PM To: openoffice-os4@samfundet.no Subject: [OO.org-OS4] Human resources
Hello,
Could everyone check the human resources list & see if it is complete:
Management & Website/forum: Amon_Re DaveyD
SVN Server & Mailinglist: Olegil
Coders: Alexw Olegil hnl_dk EntilZha Rogue RockDemon ArchProgrammer MystikShadows turboalan mausle SieGeL
Betatesters, Documentation, translators: Ferry Nibunnoichi
Graphics: Mason
Kind regards
Hello,
Updated list:
We corrently have the following people available to us:
Management & Website/forum: Amon_Re DaveyD
SVN Server & Mailinglist: Olegil
Coders: Alexw Olegil hnl_dk EntilZha Rogue RockDemon ArchProgrammer MystikShadows turbolaban mausle SieGeL
Betatesters, Documentation, translators: Ferry Nibunnoichi Rincewynd
Graphics: Mason
Regards
Christophe Ochal wrote:
Hello,
Updated list:
We corrently have the following people available to us:
Management & Website/forum: Amon_Re DaveyD
SVN Server & Mailinglist: Olegil
Please split this into two entries. DaveP has offered us to use his CVS server, any thoughts on that? Is everyone comfortable using sourceforge for CVS?
I would also like to see some redundancy (houses can burn, people can die. We don't generally want them to, but it does happen. Some people feel that unless everyone depends on them they aren't doing a good job. I tend to feel the opposite. The less people who depend on my work to survive, the better PLANNING I've done :-) ), so if anyone else has the possibility to host the mailing list or SVN should some accident occur raise your hand now :-)
I think this should be considered for the whole project. The smallest unit should not be a person, but a team. You know you're gonna curse yourself if the guy who has done 50% of the work on some huge component looses interest and moves on (or even worse, gets pissed at me for something I say and deletes all his sources/references/docs just to spite us ;-) )
Hello Ole-Egil
On 08/01/2005, you wrote:
Christophe Ochal wrote:
Hello,
Updated list:
We corrently have the following people available to us:
Management & Website/forum: Amon_Re DaveyD
SVN Server & Mailinglist: Olegil
Please split this into two entries. DaveP has offered us to use his CVS server, any thoughts on that? Is everyone comfortable using sourceforge for CVS?
Right, forgot that one, sorry As for sourceforge, i'm in favour of it really, solves the problem of backups etc, we'd still need backups, but sourceforge is a good place to go.
Question is, what do we call the project? ;)
Seriously tho, once there's a management team & a name, then we can get going.
I would also like to see some redundancy (houses can burn, people can die. We don't generally want them to, but it does happen. Some people feel that unless everyone depends on them they aren't doing a good job. I tend to feel the opposite. The less people who depend on my work to survive, the better PLANNING I've done :-) ), so if anyone else has the possibility to host the mailing list or SVN should some accident occur raise your hand now :-)
Sourceforge comes to mind again ;)
I think this should be considered for the whole project. The smallest unit should not be a person, but a team. You know you're gonna curse yourself if the guy who has done 50% of the work on some huge component looses interest and moves on (or even worse, gets pissed at me for something I say and deletes all his sources/references/docs just to spite us ;-) )
I fully agree.
Regards
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:05:56 +0100, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren olegil@samfundet.no wrote:
Christophe Ochal wrote:
Hello, Updated list: We corrently have the following people available to us: Management & Website/forum: Amon_Re DaveyD SVN Server & Mailinglist: Olegil
I would also like to see some redundancy (houses can burn, people can die. We don't generally want them to, but it does happen. Some people feel that unless everyone depends on them they aren't doing a good job. I tend to feel the opposite. The less people who depend on my work to survive, the better PLANNING I've done :-) ), so if anyone else has the possibility to host the mailing list or SVN should some accident occur raise your hand now :-)
I'm a big fan of Plan B. Though Plan C comes in a close second. I have some webspace available and can host mailing lists. I would also be willing to help with coordination and other none coding aspects. Once we get going, maybe we could have a job listing section where people can sign up for open needed tasks.
I think this should be considered for the whole project. The smallest unit should not be a person, but a team. You know you're gonna curse yourself if the guy who has done 50% of the work on some huge component looses interest and moves on (or even worse, gets pissed at me for something I say and deletes all his sources/references/docs just to spite us ;-) )
All the key postions should have a deputy/second that can filling or replace them permanently or temporarily. Everything else should be broken down in to managable chunks that can be worked on my workgroups of 2 or 3 people. Were you thinking of something like that?
Greetings, Has anyone else joined OpenOffice.org? Take a look at starting a project.
Greetings, Has anyone else joined OpenOffice.org? Take a look at starting a project.
Well, I haven't yet. Still browsing the documents on their site. Might do tommorrow.
I'm a big fan of Plan B. Though Plan C comes in a close second. I have some webspace available and can host mailing lists. I would also be willing to help with coordination and other none coding aspects. Once we get going, maybe we could have a job listing section where people can sign up for open needed tasks.
This fits perfectly into my previous proposal. I am all for it.
I think this should be considered for the whole project. The smallest unit should not be a person, but a team. You know you're gonna curse yourself if the guy who has done 50% of the work on some huge component looses interest and moves on (or even worse, gets pissed at me for something I say and deletes all his sources/references/docs just to spite us ;-) )
All the key postions should have a deputy/second that can filling or replace them permanently or temporarily. Everything else should be broken down in to managable chunks that can be worked on my workgroups of 2 or 3 people. Were you thinking of something like that?
Yes. (or 4)
I'd like to take the first step to ask someone to arrange an IRC conference to discuss the basic organisation structure. We've to setup a executive board ASAP to contact OpenOffice.org officially and work out the details etc. (see also the discussion about the name here). I'd like to be part of that discussion, if possible. I'd reccomend a time around 8:00 am US Mountain time ( this is about -8 hours CET, don't know what thime this is in Austriala/Asia). Should be around max 1 hour. If someone can set something up, that would be fine. Maybe with an announcement thru aw or aw-dev site.
On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 08:08:02 +0100 (CET), =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_Schober?= juergen.schober@pointdesign.at wrote:
I'd like to take the first step to ask someone to arrange an IRC conference to discuss the basic organisation structure. We've to setup a executive board ASAP to contact OpenOffice.org officially and work out the details etc. (see also the discussion about the name here). I'd like to be part of that discussion, if possible. I'd reccomend a time around 8:00 am US Mountain time ( this is about -8 hours CET, don't know what thime this is in Austriala/Asia). Should be around max 1 hour. If someone can set something up, that would be fine. Maybe with an announcement thru aw or aw-dev site.
This might be helpful in coordinating discussion times. http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html
Hi Jürgen,
On 9/01/2005, you wrote:
I'd like to take the first step to ask someone to arrange an IRC conference to discuss the basic organisation structure. We've to setup a executive board ASAP to contact OpenOffice.org officially and work out the details etc. (see also the discussion about the name here). I'd like to be part of that discussion, if possible. I'd reccomend a time around 8:00 am US Mountain time ( this is about -8 hours CET, don't know what thime this is in Austriala/Asia). Should be around max 1 hour. If someone can set something up, that would be fine. Maybe with an announcement thru aw or aw-dev site.
On that subject, could we PLEASE adopt the use of UTC for time rendezvous? The rest of the world does not know about US timezones any more than the US knows about the rest of the world's time zones. The use of UTC would benefit everyone.
cheers tony
On that subject, could we PLEASE adopt the use of UTC for time rendezvous? The rest of the world does not know about US timezones any more than the US knows about the rest of the world's time zones. The use of UTC would benefit everyone.
Sure. I'm just to lacy to think about it ;) (as always, and I never remember correct timezones, just what I need frequently...and that is here and -8 (or 9)...sorry).
Hello Tony
On 09/01/2005, you wrote:
Hi Jürgen,
On 9/01/2005, you wrote:
I'd like to take the first step to ask someone to arrange an IRC conference to discuss the basic organisation structure. We've to setup a executive board ASAP to contact OpenOffice.org officially and work out the details etc. (see also the discussion about the name here). I'd like to be part of that discussion, if possible. I'd reccomend a time around 8:00 am US Mountain time ( this is about -8 hours CET, don't know what thime this is in Austriala/Asia). Should be around max 1 hour. If someone can set something up, that would be fine. Maybe with an announcement thru aw or aw-dev site.
On that subject, could we PLEASE adopt the use of UTC for time rendezvous? The rest of the world does not know about US timezones any more than the US knows about the rest of the world's time zones. The use of UTC would benefit everyone.
Hell, the whole AM/PM thingy still confuses me ;)
Regards
Hello Jürgen
On 09/01/2005, you wrote:
<snip>
I'd like to take the first step to ask someone to arrange an IRC conference to discuss the basic organisation structure. We've to setup a executive board ASAP to contact OpenOffice.org officially and work out the details etc. (see also the discussion about the name here). I'd like to be part of that discussion, if possible. I'd reccomend a time around 8:00 am US Mountain time ( this is about -8 hours CET, don't know what thime this is in Austriala/Asia). Should be around max 1 hour. If someone can set something up, that would be fine. Maybe with an announcement thru aw or aw-dev site.
I'm able to make it to the IRC sessions between 20:00 and 01:00 CET, and in weekends i can be here just about the whole day.
Regards
Hello Chris
On 09/01/2005, you wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:05:56 +0100, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren
wrote:
Christophe Ochal wrote:
Hello, Updated list: We corrently have the following people available to us: Management & Website/forum: Amon_Re DaveyD SVN Server & Mailinglist: Olegil
I would also like to see some redundancy (houses can burn, people can die. We don't generally want them to, but it does happen. Some people feel that unless everyone depends on them they aren't doing a good job. I tend to feel the opposite. The less people who depend on my work to survive, the better PLANNING I've done :-) ), so if anyone else has the possibility to host the mailing list or SVN should some accident occur raise your hand now :-)
I'm a big fan of Plan B. Though Plan C comes in a close second. I have some webspace available and can host mailing lists. I would also be willing to help with coordination and other none coding aspects. Once we get going, maybe we could have a job listing section where people can sign up for open needed tasks.
There is an unpolished, non detailed list here: http://amigadev.amigaworld.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&am...
I think this should be considered for the whole project. The smallest unit should not be a person, but a team. You know you're gonna curse yourself if the guy who has done 50% of the work on some huge component looses interest and moves on (or even worse, gets pissed at me for something I say and deletes all his sources/references/docs just to spite us ;-) )
All the key postions should have a deputy/second that can filling or replace them permanently or temporarily. Everything else should be broken down in to managable chunks that can be worked on my workgroups of 2 or 3 people. Were you thinking of something like that?
That's how i read it anyway ;)
Regards
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:05:56 +0100, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren olegil@samfundet.no wrote:
I think this should be considered for the whole project. The smallest unit should not be a person, but a team. You know you're gonna curse yourself if the guy who has done 50% of the work on some huge component looses interest and moves on (or even worse, gets pissed at me for something I say and deletes all his sources/references/docs just to spite us ;-) )
All the key postions should have a deputy/second that can filling or replace them permanently or temporarily. Everything else should be broken down in to managable chunks that can be worked on my workgroups of 2 or 3 people. Were you thinking of something like that?
Excactly like that.
Hi Christophe,
On 8/01/2005, you wrote:
Updated list:
We corrently have the following people available to us:
I see I've been missed out. Just because I come from the other side of the world, blah, blah . . . anyway, here is part of the email I sent Christophe privately, before I joined this list:
I have been an electronics engineer and low-level programmer for 35 years. Now retired (and 60 yrs) I am enjoying myself playing with my A1. I am an OS4 betatester and I am currently translating the old 68k assembler console.device into ANSI C code.
I am most experienced with plain C, written for embedded devices. For instance, I have written the EFI software for my campervan, and designed and built all the hardware. I have not written much graphics code or code using OS3/4 libraries other than the basic CLI libs. At my last job I wrote embedded SW switching audio and data communications signals, and designed the hardware to go with it.
Some years ago I updated the OS3.9 68k port of Kaffe and made the interpreter and JIT engines wok properly. Since then the code base has changed and I will go back to it again when I can build it on OS4. Hopefully some of the new tools will make that possible soon.
I expect to be fully occupied with console.device for the next few months. Possibly around the end of March I will be able to help with coding for OpenOffice.
I am not a Linux guru, but I can find my way slowly.
Management: although I have had some management experience, I am not comfortable in such a position, and prefer to be a "back room engineer". I could assist with one of the teams later on.
Availability: as I said, I won't be able to do much for OO.A for a couple of months. I will be away on holidays for all of February and July.
cheers tony
Hello Tony
On 09/01/2005, you wrote:
Hi Christophe,
On 8/01/2005, you wrote:
Updated list:
We corrently have the following people available to us:
I see I've been missed out. Just because I come from the other side of the world, blah, blah . . . anyway, here is part of the email I sent Christophe privately, before I joined this list:
<snip>
Sorry about that, i thought i added you to that list already, i just corrected it on the forum, i'll repost the list later today
Regards
On 9/1/05 10:38 am, "Christophe Ochal" ochal@kefren.be wrote:
I see I've been missed out. Just because I come from the other side of the world, blah, blah . . . anyway, here is part of the email I sent Christophe privately, before I joined this list:
<snip>
Sorry about that, i thought i added you to that list already, i just corrected it on the forum, i'll repost the list later today
Do we have to send you a private Email as well as what we post on here to get put on the list?
Hello Andy
On 09/01/2005, you wrote:
On 9/1/05 10:38 am, "Christophe Ochal" ochal@kefren.be wrote:
I see I've been missed out. Just because I come from the other side of the world, blah, blah . . . anyway, here is part of the email I sent Christophe privately, before I joined this list:
<snip>
Sorry about that, i thought i added you to that list already, i just corrected it on the forum, i'll repost the list later today
Do we have to send you a private Email as well as what we post on here to get put on the list?
No, just get me the info on any means possible, pm, mailinglist, forum, private mail, any would do ;)
Regards
Hakuna Matata, Tony Wyatt!
Some years ago I updated the OS3.9 68k port of Kaffe and made the interpreter and JIT engines wok properly. Since then the code base has changed and I will go back to it again when I can build it on OS4. Hopefully some of the new tools will make that possible soon.
Amazing how many great side-projects we are discovering thanks to this port! Seems that at some point we will have: - a proper Python port - APR (so Apache2 much closer) - SVN - and now it seems that someone would like to take care of an updated Kaffe
I feel good :D
Hakuna Matata, Tony Wyatt!
Some years ago I updated the OS3.9 68k port of Kaffe and made the interpreter and JIT engines wok properly. Since then the code base has changed and I will go back to it again when I can build it on OS4. Hopefully some of the new tools will make that possible soon.
Amazing how many great side-projects we are discovering thanks to this port! Seems that at some point we will have:
- a proper Python port
- APR (so Apache2 much closer)
- SVN
Well, possibly, anyway. If we go the way of OO.org 1.9-2.0, which I think we should. By the time we're done familiarizing with the code and porting all the dependencies, it'll be close to (or even passed) release date...
- and now it seems that someone would like to take care of an updated
Kaffe
Don't forget Aspell. I've spoken to Claus Desler, who just the other day announced that he was working on a "professional" text editor. He seemed to think his project was doomed now that we're gonna try OO.org, but I told him not to worry. OO.org is way too clunky for Amigans, I see it purely as a means to get a bit more mainstream. Same with Mozilla, really. It's nice to have the same applications as the rest of the world, but personally I choose Opera on Linux/Windows and a native browser on AmigaOS. Mozilla too clunky... Good for email, though :-) Anyway, he was very likely going to use Aspell at some point, and seems to be on the brink of joining us so we can work together on porting that. I've already started browsing through it, because I think it's a REALLY important application (no, seriously, it is. Virtually any program can benefit from a spell checker. Be it a web browser, an email client, a text editor etc.). So don't be surprised if Claus joins us (like I said to him, at least it'll give you some ideas how NOT to write an efficient text editor :-P )
Hello olegil@samfundet.no
On 09/01/2005, you wrote:
Hakuna Matata, Tony Wyatt!
Some years ago I updated the OS3.9 68k port of Kaffe and made the interpreter and JIT engines wok properly. Since then the code base has hanged and I will go back to it again when I can build it on OS4. opefully some of the new tools will make that possible soon.
Amazing how many great side-projects we are discovering thanks to this port! Seems that at some point we will have:
- a proper Python port
- APR (so Apache2 much closer)
- SVN
Well, possibly, anyway. If we go the way of OO.org 1.9-2.0, which I think we should. By the time we're done familiarizing with the code and porting all the dependencies, it'll be close to (or even passed) release date...
- and now it seems that someone would like to take care of an updated
Kaffe
Don't forget Aspell. I've spoken to Claus Desler, who just the other day announced that he was working on a "professional" text editor. He seemed to think his project was doomed now that we're gonna try OO.org, but I told him not to worry. OO.org is way too clunky for Amigans, I see it purely as a means to get a bit more mainstream. Same with Mozilla, really. It's nice to have the same applications as the rest of the world, but personally I choose Opera on Linux/Windows and a native browser on AmigaOS. Mozilla too clunky... Good for email, though :-) Anyway, he was very likely going to use Aspell at some point, and seems to be on the brink of joining us so we can work together on porting that. I've already started browsing through it, because I think it's a REALLY important application (no, seriously, it is. Virtually any program can benefit from a spell checker. Be it a web browser, an email client, a text editor etc.). So don't be surprised if Claus joins us (like I said to him, at least it'll give you some ideas how NOT to write an efficient text editor :-P
Great news! Hope he comes along ;)
Regards
Hi,
I've taken a closer look at my schedule, and I'd like to make myself available for the following: - 'replacement' manager. At the moment I don't have the time to take part of the management of this project on me, but this'll change in a few months. So if one of the to be appointed managers has to leave in the future I'll prolly be available. I do have management experience, tho not for a project this big. - PR/Community management. The user community will want to hear about the projects' progress. If we decide to provide periodical status-updates to said community, I'm willing to put these together. There will likely also be a myriad of other questions from the user community that will need to be addressed.
Kind regards,
Rincewynd Peter Molenaar
-----Original Message----- From: openoffice-os4-admin@samfundet.no [mailto:openoffice-os4-admin@samfundet.no] On Behalf Of Christophe Ochal Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 8:46 PM To: openoffice-os4@samfundet.no Subject: [OO.org-OS4] Re: Human resources Update
Hello,
Updated list:
We corrently have the following people available to us:
Management & Website/forum: Amon_Re DaveyD
SVN Server & Mailinglist: Olegil
Coders: Alexw Olegil hnl_dk EntilZha Rogue RockDemon ArchProgrammer MystikShadows turbolaban mausle SieGeL
Betatesters, Documentation, translators: Ferry Nibunnoichi Rincewynd
Graphics: Mason
Regards
Hello
On 8/1/05 3:19 pm, "Christophe Ochal" ochal@kefren.be wrote:
Betatesters, Documentation, translators: Ferry Nibunnoichi
(Although this could be the alcohol talking) I'm putting myself forward as a candidate to head up documentation.
Erm, brief bio like everyone else - I'm currently a student studying an honours degree in Multimedia Technology (a computer science specialism) and in a former life I was a Cisco Certified Network Associate and a System Admin. I've also been a Web designer and graphic artist briefly.
I mostly program in Java at the moment, but have (what I would call fairly novice) experience in C and C++ on the Amiga. Once I have my up-coming exams out of the way, I plan to get some practice in, by porting some minor CLI programs to AmigaOS and examining previously ported source code.
My speciality if you will is information design and interaction, which is why I think I could be a real help in the documentation side. I joined this project to gain practical insight into large-ish scale software development (lectures can only show you so much) and to improve my programming skills and learn good programming practice.
I'd also like to add I'm not afraid of doing crap, unexciting, dull, tedious tasks.
"I'd also like to add I'm not afraid of doing crap, unexciting, dull, tedious tasks."
Hmmm, you do realize you said that outloud....to a group of programmers.....right? ;-).
Welcome aboard none the less and you better clear your emails to make place for your list of things to do. hehehe .
Hello Andy
On 09/01/2005, you wrote:
Hello
On 8/1/05 3:19 pm, "Christophe Ochal" ochal@kefren.be wrote:
Betatesters, Documentation, translators: Ferry Nibunnoichi
(Although this could be the alcohol talking) I'm putting myself forward as a candidate to head up documentation.
Erm, brief bio like everyone else - I'm currently a student studying an honours degree in Multimedia Technology (a computer science specialism) and in a former life I was a Cisco Certified Network Associate and a System Admin. I've also been a Web designer and graphic artist briefly.
I mostly program in Java at the moment, but have (what I would call fairly novice) experience in C and C++ on the Amiga. Once I have my up-coming exams out of the way, I plan to get some practice in, by porting some minor CLI programs to AmigaOS and examining previously ported source code.
My speciality if you will is information design and interaction, which is why I think I could be a real help in the documentation side. I joined this project to gain practical insight into large-ish scale software development (lectures can only show you so much) and to improve my programming skills and learn good programming practice.
I'd also like to add I'm not afraid of doing crap, unexciting, dull, tedious tasks.
I added you to the list ;)
Regards
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Andy Hall -
Chris Fraser -
Christophe Ochal -
Jürgen Schober -
Nibunnoichi -
Ole-Egil Hvitmyren -
olegil＠samfundet.no
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Peter Molenaar -
stephane richard -
Tony Wyatt