I just posted this up on AW.net. Now we really need to get on with work. I will be splitting the effort so 4 will work on openoffice, and 4 will be on Amizilla.
OK, the results of the project selection process are in: I have 8 students now confirmed as working for me. This is on average double of what other academics take on!
I have asked them all to buy GoldED Studio AIX, and am in the process of setting up emulated Amiga environments on their laptop PCs. They have until this time next week to familiarise themselves with the OS, and from next Thursday, they will start to work through the liquido2 programming tutorial, just to give them a taste of GUI programming on the Amiga!
From there, they will branch off and start working on different things. Gonna have to ask the guys at AOOo and AmiZilla where we can now fit in.
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Just to let you know, the folks over at Amizilla are in the process of preparing some project descriptions for me. One such description is already ready. The same would be very helpful from you guys... Piyush Khengar wrote:
I just posted this up on AW.net. Now we really need to get on with work. I will be splitting the effort so 4 will work on openoffice, and 4 will be on Amizilla.
OK, the results of the project selection process are in: I have 8 students now confirmed as working for me. This is on average double of what other academics take on!
I have asked them all to buy GoldED Studio AIX, and am in the process of setting up emulated Amiga environments on their laptop PCs. They have until this time next week to familiarise themselves with the OS, and from next Thursday, they will start to work through the liquido2 programming tutorial, just to give them a taste of GUI programming on the Amiga!
From there, they will branch off and start working on different things. Gonna have to ask the guys at AOOo and AmiZilla where we can now fit in.
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Hi devs, hmm, shouldn't someone answer him, at least, he offers help??? PK> Just to let you know, the folks over at Amizilla are in the process of PK> preparing some project descriptions for me. One such description is PK> already ready. The same would be very helpful from you guys... PK> Piyush Khengar wrote: PK>> I just posted this up on AW.net. Now we really need to get on with PK>> work. I will be splitting the effort so 4 will work on openoffice, and PK>> 4 will be on Amizilla. PK>> PK>>> PK>>> OK, the results of the project selection process are in: I have 8 PK>>> students now confirmed as working for me. This is on average double PK>>> of what other academics take on! PK>>> PK>>> I have asked them all to buy GoldED Studio AIX, and am in the process PK>>> of setting up emulated Amiga environments on their laptop PCs. They PK>>> have until this time next week to familiarise themselves with the OS, PK>>> and from next Thursday, they will start to work through the liquido2 PK>>> programming tutorial, just to give them a taste of GUI programming on PK>>> the Amiga! PK>>> PK>>> From there, they will branch off and start working on different PK>>> things. Gonna have to ask the guys at AOOo and AmiZilla where we can PK>>> now fit in. PK>> PK>> PK>> Ciao Hubert
I don't have the information to answer him...atleast not as of now....Orvil? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hubert Maier" <raziel_nosgoth@web.de> To: <openoffice-os4@samfundet.no> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 9:05 AM Subject: [OO.org-OS4] Re: Amigans at KCL
Hi devs,
hmm, shouldn't someone answer him, at least, he offers help???
PK> Just to let you know, the folks over at Amizilla are in the process of PK> preparing some project descriptions for me. One such description is PK> already ready. The same would be very helpful from you guys...
PK> Piyush Khengar wrote:
PK>> I just posted this up on AW.net. Now we really need to get on with PK>> work. I will be splitting the effort so 4 will work on openoffice, and PK>> 4 will be on Amizilla. PK>> PK>>> PK>>> OK, the results of the project selection process are in: I have 8 PK>>> students now confirmed as working for me. This is on average double PK>>> of what other academics take on! PK>>> PK>>> I have asked them all to buy GoldED Studio AIX, and am in the process PK>>> of setting up emulated Amiga environments on their laptop PCs. They PK>>> have until this time next week to familiarise themselves with the OS, PK>>> and from next Thursday, they will start to work through the liquido2 PK>>> programming tutorial, just to give them a taste of GUI programming on PK>>> the Amiga! PK>>> PK>>> From there, they will branch off and start working on different PK>>> things. Gonna have to ask the guys at AOOo and AmiZilla where we can PK>>> now fit in. PK>> PK>> PK>>
Ciao
Hubert
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Im not really sure, we are still working on dependancies (although very slowly), I know hnl_dk is still doing SANE (at least I think he is), not sure if we have a GUI for it (which we will need if it has to integrate), this maybe something to look at (a port of XSane - the gui frontend of sane). Other than that, it may be a worthwhile effort (as our PM seems to be significantly absent), to ask them to identify an (or a couple) of areas they would be comfortable working on? Mark On 23/10/2005, you wrote:
I don't have the information to answer him...atleast not as of now....Orvil? :-)
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Hi devs,
hmm, shouldn't someone answer him, at least, he offers help???
PK> Just to let you know, the folks over at Amizilla are in the process of PK> preparing some project descriptions for me. One such description is PK> already ready. The same would be very helpful from you guys...
PK> Piyush Khengar wrote:
PK>> I just posted this up on AW.net. Now we really need to get on with PK>> work. I will be splitting the effort so 4 will work on openoffice, and PK>> 4 will be on Amizilla. PK>> PK>>> PK>>> OK, the results of the project selection process are in: I have 8 PK>>> students now confirmed as working for me. This is on average double PK>>> of what other academics take on! PK>>> PK>>> I have asked them all to buy GoldED Studio AIX, and am in the process PK>>> of setting up emulated Amiga environments on their laptop PCs. They PK>>> have until this time next week to familiarise themselves with the OS, PK>>> and from next Thursday, they will start to work through the liquido2 PK>>> programming tutorial, just to give them a taste of GUI programming on PK>>> the Amiga! PK>>> PK>>> From there, they will branch off and start working on different PK>>> things. Gonna have to ask the guys at AOOo and AmiZilla where we can PK>>> now fit in. PK>> PK>> PK>>
Ciao
Hubert
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I agree it would be a shame to let this opportunity pass by. However, I have a hard time (like all of us it seems) determining how the students could contribute. During my last business trip I made an effort to determine why exactly I have problem doing so. I came up with the following obstacles: In General: - This is a (huge) project, managed and run in spare time via the internet. Consequences: - No day-to-day management; - Ad-hoc communication. You can't rely and shouldn't expect anybody to be available just when you need'm Project related: - I only have outdated, and probably partial information on who's doing what; - I don't have 'easy' access to what has already been (partially) completed; - I only have a high level idea of what still has to be done; Student related: - With the info provided so far, I really have no idea what can be expected from them (this is related to me not being English (the courses they've done mean zilch to me) and me not being a C programmer. Somebody else here might actually have a clue). Summary: We have a huge project, and insufficient means to manage it. Proposal: Maybe the students could develop a generic (there may follow other projects of this nature, after all) toolset, that helps us manage the following aspects of the project: - who's doing what; - status info per project component (what's finished, what's in progress, what needs to be done); - We need to be able to easily address the following scenario: 'Hi, I'm a C-programmer and I want to help. What can I do?' The first two issues can be handled by the project-management website IIRC. (No idea if we can put dependency data in there though, nor if that's easily done). I don't have the URL handy atm, sorry. Please feel free to comment. Kind regards, Peter / Rincewynd -----Original Message----- From: openoffice-os4-bounces@samfundet.no [mailto:openoffice-os4-bounces@samfundet.no] On Behalf Of Mark Bond Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:09 PM To: Effort to port OpenOffice.org to AmigaOS4 Subject: [OO.org-OS4] Re: Amigans at KCL Im not really sure, we are still working on dependancies (although very slowly), I know hnl_dk is still doing SANE (at least I think he is), not sure if we have a GUI for it (which we will need if it has to integrate), this maybe something to look at (a port of XSane - the gui frontend of sane). Other than that, it may be a worthwhile effort (as our PM seems to be significantly absent), to ask them to identify an (or a couple) of areas they would be comfortable working on? Mark On 23/10/2005, you wrote:
I don't have the information to answer him...atleast not as of now....Orvil? :-)
----- Original Message ----- From: "Hubert Maier" <raziel_nosgoth@web.de> To: <openoffice-os4@samfundet.no> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 9:05 AM Subject: [OO.org-OS4] Re: Amigans at KCL
Hi devs,
hmm, shouldn't someone answer him, at least, he offers help???
PK> Just to let you know, the folks over at Amizilla are in the process of PK> preparing some project descriptions for me. One such description is PK> already ready. The same would be very helpful from you guys...
PK> Piyush Khengar wrote:
PK>> I just posted this up on AW.net. Now we really need to get on with PK>> work. I will be splitting the effort so 4 will work on openoffice, and PK>> 4 will be on Amizilla. PK>> PK>>> PK>>> OK, the results of the project selection process are in: I have 8 PK>>> students now confirmed as working for me. This is on average double PK>>> of what other academics take on! PK>>> PK>>> I have asked them all to buy GoldED Studio AIX, and am in the process PK>>> of setting up emulated Amiga environments on their laptop PCs. They PK>>> have until this time next week to familiarise themselves with the OS, PK>>> and from next Thursday, they will start to work through the liquido2 PK>>> programming tutorial, just to give them a taste of GUI programming on PK>>> the Amiga! PK>>> PK>>> From there, they will branch off and start working on different PK>>> things. Gonna have to ask the guys at AOOo and AmiZilla where we can PK>>> now fit in. PK>> PK>> PK>>
Ciao
Hubert
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Peter, I agree with most of what you have said below On 27/10/2005, you wrote:
I agree it would be a shame to let this opportunity pass by. However, I have a hard time (like all of us it seems) determining how the students could contribute. During my last business trip I made an effort to determine why exactly I have problem doing so. I came up with the following obstacles: In General: - This is a (huge) project, managed and run in spare time via the internet. Consequences: - No day-to-day management; - Ad-hoc communication. You can't rely and shouldn't expect anybody to be available just when you need'm
Project related: - I only have outdated, and probably partial information on who's doing what; - I don't have 'easy' access to what has already been (partially) completed; - I only have a high level idea of what still has to be done;
except the above, if people kept the project management site up-to-date (and it is mostly) then you should have an idea about where we are: http://dev.amigaopenoffice.org
Student related: - With the info provided so far, I really have no idea what can be expected from them (this is related to me not being English (the courses they've done mean zilch to me) and me not being a C programmer. Somebody else here might actually have a clue).
Summary: We have a huge project, and insufficient means to manage it.
Proposal: Maybe the students could develop a generic (there may follow other projects of this nature, after all) toolset, that helps us manage the following aspects of the project: - who's doing what; - status info per project component (what's finished, what's in progress, what needs to be done); - We need to be able to easily address the following scenario: 'Hi, I'm a C-programmer and I want to help. What can I do?'
If someone(s) were to fill in Olegil's dependancy database then we could add tasks to the PM site and have them ready to be assigned.
The first two issues can be handled by the project-management website IIRC. (No idea if we can put dependency data in there though, nor if that's easily done). I don't have the URL handy atm, sorry.
Yes dependancy data can go in there, in as much as tasks can be dependant on other tasks. I mean, Rogue or Entilzha offered help a while back and nothing came of it because we didnt have a list of tasks to offer. Mark
I know of Eclipse being available... Would any effort to enhance the Java DevKit support on AmigaOS to run this Integrated Development Environment be of any use ? as Windows/Linux can already support this application and suite with pre-existing support for multi-developer shared resources online Any way of setting up the Developer Web access to support such an IDE? Just curious for the most part... that way even developers such as myself without A1 systems can put "code patches" toward a common repository and have the results posted by developers with A1 systems On Thu, 2005-27-10 at 08:24 +0200, Peter Molenaar wrote:
I agree it would be a shame to let this opportunity pass by. However, I have a hard time (like all of us it seems) determining how the students could contribute. During my last business trip I made an effort to determine why exactly I have problem doing so. I came up with the following obstacles:
In General: - This is a (huge) project, managed and run in spare time via the internet. Consequences: - No day-to-day management; - Ad-hoc communication. You can't rely and shouldn't expect anybody to be available just when you need'm
Project related: - I only have outdated, and probably partial information on who's doing what; - I don't have 'easy' access to what has already been (partially) completed; - I only have a high level idea of what still has to be done;
Student related: - With the info provided so far, I really have no idea what can be expected from them (this is related to me not being English (the courses they've done mean zilch to me) and me not being a C programmer. Somebody else here might actually have a clue).
Summary: We have a huge project, and insufficient means to manage it.
Proposal: Maybe the students could develop a generic (there may follow other projects of this nature, after all) toolset, that helps us manage the following aspects of the project: - who's doing what; - status info per project component (what's finished, what's in progress, what needs to be done); - We need to be able to easily address the following scenario: 'Hi, I'm a C-programmer and I want to help. What can I do?'
The first two issues can be handled by the project-management website IIRC. (No idea if we can put dependency data in there though, nor if that's easily done). I don't have the URL handy atm, sorry.
Please feel free to comment.
Kind regards,
Peter / Rincewynd
-----Original Message----- From: openoffice-os4-bounces@samfundet.no [mailto:openoffice-os4-bounces@samfundet.no] On Behalf Of Mark Bond Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:09 PM To: Effort to port OpenOffice.org to AmigaOS4 Subject: [OO.org-OS4] Re: Amigans at KCL
Im not really sure, we are still working on dependancies (although very slowly), I know hnl_dk is still doing SANE (at least I think he is), not sure if we have a GUI for it (which we will need if it has to integrate), this maybe something to look at (a port of XSane - the gui frontend of sane).
Other than that, it may be a worthwhile effort (as our PM seems to be significantly absent), to ask them to identify an (or a couple) of areas they would be comfortable working on?
Mark
On 23/10/2005, you wrote:
I don't have the information to answer him...atleast not as of now....Orvil? :-)
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Hi devs,
hmm, shouldn't someone answer him, at least, he offers help???
PK> Just to let you know, the folks over at Amizilla are in the process of PK> preparing some project descriptions for me. One such description is PK> already ready. The same would be very helpful from you guys...
PK> Piyush Khengar wrote:
PK>> I just posted this up on AW.net. Now we really need to get on with PK>> work. I will be splitting the effort so 4 will work on openoffice, and PK>> 4 will be on Amizilla. PK>> PK>>> PK>>> OK, the results of the project selection process are in: I have 8 PK>>> students now confirmed as working for me. This is on average double PK>>> of what other academics take on! PK>>> PK>>> I have asked them all to buy GoldED Studio AIX, and am in the process PK>>> of setting up emulated Amiga environments on their laptop PCs. They PK>>> have until this time next week to familiarise themselves with the OS, PK>>> and from next Thursday, they will start to work through the liquido2 PK>>> programming tutorial, just to give them a taste of GUI programming on PK>>> the Amiga! PK>>> PK>>> From there, they will branch off and start working on different PK>>> things. Gonna have to ask the guys at AOOo and AmiZilla where we can PK>>> now fit in. PK>> PK>> PK>>
Ciao
Hubert
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Piyush Khengar wrote:
I just posted this up on AW.net. Now we really need to get on with work. I will be splitting the effort so 4 will work on openoffice, and 4 will be on Amizilla.
If it's not too late, i'd like to see them have a go at cups (http://www.cups.org) AOS needs a new printing system anyway, and OOo works with cups aswell. Cheers
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