Hi all,
I think we should start with porting SVN to AOS (3.x & 4 if possible), not only because it looks better then CVS, but also because we have an SVN server (Olegil's machine) and it would be a good test & help us gain experiance as a team.
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Ochal Christophe wrote:
I think we should start with porting SVN to AOS (3.x & 4 if possible), not only because it looks better then CVS, but also because we have an SVN server (Olegil's machine) and it would be a good test & help us gain experiance as a team.
I'm fine with it, but don't forget, cross compilation is needed here at the first step.
Markus Weiss wrote:
Ochal Christophe wrote:
I think we should start with porting SVN to AOS (3.x & 4 if possible), not only because it looks better then CVS, but also because we have an SVN server (Olegil's machine) and it would be a good test & help us gain experiance as a team.
I'm fine with it, but don't forget, cross compilation is needed here at the first step.
Or if you would help making abc-shell - http://sourceforge.net/projects/abc-shell - work, would we not need cross compilation ;-)
Hello Henning
On 07/01/2005, you wrote:
Markus Weiss wrote:
Ochal Christophe wrote:
I think we should start with porting SVN to AOS (3.x & 4 if possible), not only because it looks better then CVS, but also because we have an SVN server (Olegil's machine) and it would be a good test & help us gain experiance as a team.
I'm fine with it, but don't forget, cross compilation is needed here at the first step.
Or if you would help making abc-shell - http://sourceforge.net/projects/abc-shell - work, would we not need cross compilation ;-)
How far did you get with that? BTW, what about the GG: shell? I know ixemul doesn't work on OS4 but it could be usefull for those of us without OS4
Regards
Christophe Ochal wrote:
How far did you get with that? BTW, what about the GG: shell? I know ixemul doesn't work on OS4 but it could be usefull for those of us without OS4
We do have an ixemul port now, but it requires a new kernel that hasn't been released yet.
Regards,
Hello Hans-Joerg
On 07/01/2005, you wrote:
Christophe Ochal wrote:
How far did you get with that? BTW, what about the GG: shell? I know ixemul doesn't work on OS4 but it could be usefull for those of us without OS4
We do have an ixemul port now, but it requires a new kernel that hasn't been released yet.
Well there's some motivation for a new AOS4 update if i ever saw one ;) J/K
Regards
Hi,
Christophe Ochal wrote:
How far did you get with that? BTW, what about the GG: shell? I know ixemul doesn't work on OS4 but it could be usefull for those of us without OS4
We have an internal alpha kernel that supports a PPC native ixemul.libray. This will stay alpha/beta for some time, though...
Regards,
Ochal Christophe wrote:
Hi all,
I think we should start with porting SVN to AOS (3.x & 4 if possible), not only because it looks better then CVS, but also because we have an SVN server (Olegil's machine) and it would be a good test & help us gain experiance as a team.
Agreed. At the very least we'll gain exp. I've learned how to set up a subversion server with apache2 today, so I'm at level 2 already :-P
I'll have to do some "proper" work now.
Hi all,
Op 7-jan-05 om 12:29 heeft Ole-Egil Hvitmyren het volgende geschreven:
Ochal Christophe wrote:
Hi all, I think we should start with porting SVN to AOS (3.x & 4 if possible), not only because it looks better then CVS, but also because we have an SVN server (Olegil's machine) and it would be a good test & help us gain experiance as a team.
Agreed. At the very least we'll gain exp. I've learned how to set up a subversion server with apache2 today, so I'm at level 2 already :-P
Ok, and when you finished uploading the sourcecode to it, let us know ;)
About SVN, we need neon ported. The website about neon is http://www.webdav.org/neon/ perhaps Thomas or Hans-joerg could take a quick look at that one so we know what to expect.
If someone else feels up to the challenge, look at it & report back ;)
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Hi,
Ochal Christophe wrote:
I think we should start with porting SVN to AOS (3.x & 4 if possible), not only because it looks better then CVS, but also because we have an SVN server (Olegil's machine) and it would be a good test & help us gain experiance as a team.
I'm not sure if it's necessary, but AFAIK SVN uses the Apache Portable Runtime. Ok, it shouldn't be too hard to port this, and the thing itself can be used for other very nice things (like, uh, Apache), but it definitely adds to the workload...
OTOH, OOo is already quite big, so it's probably not going to add too much workload, anyway...
Regards,
Hi,
Op 7-jan-05 om 13:57 heeft Thomas Frieden het volgende geschreven:
Hi,
Ochal Christophe wrote:
I think we should start with porting SVN to AOS (3.x & 4 if possible), not only because it looks better then CVS, but also because we have an SVN server (Olegil's machine) and it would be a good test & help us gain experiance as a team.
I'm not sure if it's necessary, but AFAIK SVN uses the Apache Portable Runtime. Ok, it shouldn't be too hard to port this, and the thing itself can be used for other very nice things (like, uh, Apache), but it definitely adds to the workload...
Does the client also depend on this runtime?
OTOH, OOo is already quite big, so it's probably not going to add too much workload, anyway...
True, and it's a usefull bit of software so it's time well spent
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Ochal Christophe wrote:
Hi,
Op 7-jan-05 om 13:57 heeft Thomas Frieden het volgende geschreven:
Hi,
Ochal Christophe wrote:
I think we should start with porting SVN to AOS (3.x & 4 if possible), not only because it looks better then CVS, but also because we have an SVN server (Olegil's machine) and it would be a good test & help us gain experiance as a team.
I'm not sure if it's necessary, but AFAIK SVN uses the Apache Portable Runtime. Ok, it shouldn't be too hard to port this, and the thing itself can be used for other very nice things (like, uh, Apache), but it definitely adds to the workload...
Does the client also depend on this runtime?
Yes - http://subversion.tigris.org/project_faq.html#portability
OTOH, OOo is already quite big, so it's probably not going to add too much workload, anyway...
True, and it's a usefull bit of software so it's time well spent
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Hi
Op 7-jan-05 om 15:19 heeft Henning Nielsen Lund het volgende geschreven:
Ochal Christophe wrote:
Does the client also depend on this runtime?
Yes - http://subversion.tigris.org/project_faq.html#portability
Ok, so we need neon and the runtime ported
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Hi,
Ochal Christophe wrote:
Yes - http://subversion.tigris.org/project_faq.html#portability
Ok, so we need neon and the runtime ported
Another thing: Neon needs OpenSSH.
May I suggest that we stick to CVS for the moment ? SVN seems to bring in a lot of other stuff with it...
Regards,
Hi,
Op 7-jan-05 om 15:27 heeft Thomas Frieden het volgende geschreven:
Hi,
Ochal Christophe wrote:
Yes - http://subversion.tigris.org/project_faq.html#portability
Ok, so we need neon and the runtime ported
Another thing: Neon needs OpenSSH.
May I suggest that we stick to CVS for the moment ? SVN seems to bring in a lot of other stuff with it...
I thought we had OpenSSH already? If we stick with CVS we'd need a CVS server setup, Orgin can take care of that i guess, but i'd rather do SVN first, most of us are new to porting large scale projects and i do think porting SVN would be a good excersise, not only for coding but also for the teamwork.
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Hi,
Ochal Christophe wrote:
I thought we had OpenSSH already?
Not that I know of.
If we stick with CVS we'd need a CVS server setup, Orgin can take care of that i guess, but i'd rather do SVN first, most of us are new to porting large scale projects and i do think porting SVN would be a good excersise, not only for coding but also for the teamwork.
Ok, that's an argument...
Regards,
Hey guys,
On 7/1/05 2:41 pm, "Ochal Christophe" ochal@kefren.be wrote:
I thought we had OpenSSH already? If we stick with CVS we'd need a CVS server setup, Orgin can take care of that i guess, but i'd rather do SVN first, most of us are new to porting large scale projects and i do think porting SVN would be a good excersise, not only for coding but also for the teamwork.
I agree with this, hitting a smaller project first will allow everyone to get a feel for the team, and individual's capabilities. I think this could be a positive, rather than a negative.
It could also be a very good indicator for the feasibility of the project. I mean if the group can't get organised enough to get the tools working, or it's left to a few to do all the work, then it wouldn't be a good sign for the big project.
Ochal Christophe wrote:
I thought we had OpenSSH already?
Not on OS 4, at least not that I know of. Work on AmiSSL is underway, but unknown when this will be ready.
If we stick with CVS we'd need a CVS server setup, Orgin can take care of that i guess, but i'd rather do SVN first, most of us are new to porting large scale projects and i do think porting SVN would be a good excersise, not only for coding but also for the teamwork.
That is true.
In any case, there needs to be some research done before coding on OpenOffice can commence, like e.g. finding out how stable the OO.org 2.0 codebase (especially the platform layer) is.
Regards,
Hi,
Op 7-jan-05 om 16:02 heeft Hans-Joerg Frieden het volgende geschreven:
Ochal Christophe wrote:
I thought we had OpenSSH already?
Not on OS 4, at least not that I know of. Work on AmiSSL is underway, but unknown when this will be ready.
Ah ok
If we stick with CVS we'd need a CVS server setup, Orgin can take care of that i guess, but i'd rather do SVN first, most of us are new to porting large scale projects and i do think porting SVN would be a good excersise, not only for coding but also for the teamwork.
That is true.
In any case, there needs to be some research done before coding on OpenOffice can commence, like e.g. finding out how stable the OO.org 2.0 codebase (especially the platform layer) is.
Well, it runs stable on my box ;) But yes, research is needed, and i currently haven't got time for that, i'm at work atm.
This weekend i'll see what i can find out.
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On 2005-01-07, Ochal Christophe wrote:
Hi,
Op 7-jan-05 om 16:02 heeft Hans-Joerg Frieden het volgende geschreven:
In any case, there needs to be some research done before coding on OpenOffice can commence, like e.g. finding out how stable the OO.org 2.0 codebase (especially the platform layer) is.
Well, it runs stable on my box ;) But yes, research is needed, and i currently haven't got time for that, i'm at work atm.
This weekend i'll see what i can find out.
I don't think he means that it _runs_ stable but rather if the implementation is bound to go through major changes or not. Changes in API's and behaviour.
If it changes a lot then the porting effort will get a lot of extra work on its hands.
/Björn
Hi,
Op 7-jan-05 om 16:05 heeft BjörnHagström het volgende geschreven:
On 2005-01-07, Ochal Christophe wrote:
Hi,
Op 7-jan-05 om 16:02 heeft Hans-Joerg Frieden het volgende geschreven:
In any case, there needs to be some research done before coding on OpenOffice can commence, like e.g. finding out how stable the OO.org 2.0 codebase (especially the platform layer) is.
Well, it runs stable on my box ;) But yes, research is needed, and i currently haven't got time for that, i'm at work atm.
This weekend i'll see what i can find out.
I don't think he means that it _runs_ stable but rather if the implementation is bound to go through major changes or not. Changes in API's and behaviour.
If it changes a lot then the porting effort will get a lot of extra work on its hands.
True, i'll be going through their mailinglists & see what's up on their end.
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Ochal Christophe wrote:
Hi,
Op 7-jan-05 om 16:05 heeft BjörnHagström het volgende geschreven:
On 2005-01-07, Ochal Christophe wrote:
Hi,
Op 7-jan-05 om 16:02 heeft Hans-Joerg Frieden het volgende geschreven:
In any case, there needs to be some research done before coding on OpenOffice can commence, like e.g. finding out how stable the OO.org 2.0 codebase (especially the platform layer) is.
Well, it runs stable on my box ;) But yes, research is needed, and i currently haven't got time for that, i'm at work atm.
This weekend i'll see what i can find out.
I don't think he means that it _runs_ stable but rather if the implementation is bound to go through major changes or not. Changes in API's and behaviour.
If it changes a lot then the porting effort will get a lot of extra work on its hands.
True, i'll be going through their mailinglists & see what's up on their end.
Check this: http://development.openoffice.org/releases/OOo_2_0_timetable.html
http://development.openoffice.org/releases/OpenOffice_org_trunk.html
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Hi,
Op 7-jan-05 om 16:23 heeft Henning Nielsen Lund het volgende geschreven:
Ochal Christophe wrote:
True, i'll be going through their mailinglists & see what's up on their end.
Check this: http://development.openoffice.org/releases/OOo_2_0_timetable.html
http://development.openoffice.org/releases/OpenOffice_org_trunk.html
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: openoffice-os4-admin@samfundet.no [mailto:openoffice-os4-admin@samfundet.no] Im Auftrag von Henning Nielsen Lund Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Januar 2005 16:23 An: openoffice-os4@samfundet.no Betreff: Re: [OO.org-OS4] Re: SVN
Ochal Christophe wrote:
Hi,
Op 7-jan-05 om 16:05 heeft BjörnHagström het volgende geschreven:
On 2005-01-07, Ochal Christophe wrote:
Hi,
Op 7-jan-05 om 16:02 heeft Hans-Joerg Frieden het
volgende geschreven:
In any case, there needs to be some research done before
coding on
OpenOffice can commence, like e.g. finding out how
stable the OO.org
2.0 codebase (especially the platform layer) is.
Well, it runs stable on my box ;) But yes, research is
needed, and i
currently haven't got time for that, i'm at work atm.
This weekend i'll see what i can find out.
I don't think he means that it _runs_ stable but rather if the implementation is bound to go through major changes or
not. Changes in
API's and behaviour.
If it changes a lot then the porting effort will get a lot
of extra
work on its hands.
True, i'll be going through their mailinglists & see what's up on their end.
Check this: http://development.openoffice.org/releases/OOo_2_0_timetable.html
http://development.openoffice.org/releases/OpenOffice_org_trunk.html
Ochal Christophe Verantwoordelijke Technische Dienst Fem Computer Systems NV Dendermondsesteenweg 7 9300 Aalst Tel: 053/771816 Fax: 053/214628 Email: co@fem.be
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BjörnHagström wrote:
On 2005-01-07, Ochal Christophe wrote:
Hi,
Op 7-jan-05 om 16:02 heeft Hans-Joerg Frieden het volgende geschreven:
In any case, there needs to be some research done before coding on OpenOffice can commence, like e.g. finding out how stable the OO.org 2.0 codebase (especially the platform layer) is.
Well, it runs stable on my box ;) But yes, research is needed, and i currently haven't got time for that, i'm at work atm.
This weekend i'll see what i can find out.
I don't think he means that it _runs_ stable but rather if the implementation is bound to go through major changes or not. Changes in API's and behaviour.
If it changes a lot then the porting effort will get a lot of extra work on its hands.
ok then ;-) If everything is going to go the way it should, is the first betarelease should be released this month.
/Björn
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Hi,
BjörnHagström wrote:
I don't think he means that it _runs_ stable but rather if the implementation is bound to go through major changes or not. Changes in API's and behaviour.
Exactly. I would suggest taking a look at OpenOffice.org (the website) for information concerning the stability, and if there's no information available, ask one of the head honchos there...
Regards,
Hans-Joerg Frieden wrote:
Ochal Christophe wrote:
I thought we had OpenSSH already?
Not on OS 4, at least not that I know of. Work on AmiSSL is underway, but unknown when this will be ready.
Just tried to download the "portable" version of OpenSSH for fun, and it is full of fork() :-(
If we stick with CVS we'd need a CVS server setup, Orgin can take care of that i guess, but i'd rather do SVN first, most of us are new to porting large scale projects and i do think porting SVN would be a good excersise, not only for coding but also for the teamwork.
That is true.
In any case, there needs to be some research done before coding on OpenOffice can commence, like e.g. finding out how stable the OO.org 2.0 codebase (especially the platform layer) is.
I have used OpenOffice.org 1.9.xx for more than half a year, and it is "stable". At least it is more stable than Microsoft Office ever has been.
Regards,
Markus Weiss wrote:
Henning Nielsen Lund wrote:
Just tried to download the "portable" version of OpenSSH for fun, and it is full of fork() :-(
Putty?
no, OpenSSH 3.9p1 - http://www.openssh.com/
Henning Nielsen Lund wrote:
Markus Weiss wrote:
Henning Nielsen Lund wrote:
Just tried to download the "portable" version of OpenSSH for fun, and it is full of fork() :-(
Putty?
no, OpenSSH 3.9p1 - http://www.openssh.com/
Just made a litle search... OpenSSH 3.9p1 has been ported to AmigaOS classic requiering IXemul - http://amiga.sourceforge.net/ And MorphOS requiering IXemul - http://ann.lu/detail.cgi?category=unmoderated&file=1105177239.msg
So with the next OS4 update we should be able to make an easy port :-)
Henning Nielsen Lund wrote:
Just made a litle search... OpenSSH 3.9p1 has been ported to AmigaOS classic requiering IXemul - http://amiga.sourceforge.net/ And MorphOS requiering IXemul - http://ann.lu/detail.cgi?category=unmoderated&file=1105177239.msg
So with the next OS4 update we should be able to make an easy port :-)
I'll try to arrange that we can make a special release of the kernel for people working on OOo. That would include ixemul library.
I'm glad to say that ixemul seems to work just fine on OS4. Thomas tried our old Abuse port (which required ixemul) and it runs just fine (including JIT ;-)
Regards,
Hans-Joerg Frieden wrote:
Henning Nielsen Lund wrote:
Just made a litle search... OpenSSH 3.9p1 has been ported to AmigaOS classic requiering IXemul - http://amiga.sourceforge.net/ And MorphOS requiering IXemul - http://ann.lu/detail.cgi?category=unmoderated&file=1105177239.msg
So with the next OS4 update we should be able to make an easy port :-)
I'll try to arrange that we can make a special release of the kernel for people working on OOo. That would include ixemul library.
I'm glad to say that ixemul seems to work just fine on OS4. Thomas tried our old Abuse port (which required ixemul) and it runs just fine (including JIT ;-)
Great :-D
Regards,
Hello Henning
On 07/01/2005, you wrote:
Hans-Joerg Frieden wrote:
Ochal Christophe wrote:
I thought we had OpenSSH already?
Not on OS 4, at least not that I know of. Work on AmiSSL is underway, but unknown when this will be ready.
Just tried to download the "portable" version of OpenSSH for fun, and it is full of fork() :-(
This could be a problem, what's the situation with AOS4 & fork()?
Regards
Hi,
Christophe Ochal wrote:
Just tried to download the "portable" version of OpenSSH for fun, and it is full of fork() :-(
This could be a problem, what's the situation with AOS4 & fork()?
Bleak... fork is a no-go on any platform without completely isolated address spaces... Like AmigaOS...
Depending on how it is used, it can be replaced... The usual fork+execve situation....
Regards,
Hello Thomas
On 07/01/2005, you wrote:
Hi,
Christophe Ochal wrote:
Just tried to download the "portable" version of OpenSSH for fun, and it is full of fork() :-(
This could be a problem, what's the situation with AOS4 & fork()?
Bleak... fork is a no-go on any platform without completely isolated address spaces... Like AmigaOS...
Depending on how it is used, it can be replaced... The usual fork+execve situation....
Regards
Christophe Ochal wrote:
This could be a problem, what's the situation with AOS4 & fork()?
It's a no-go I'm afraid. It can never work on AmigaOS unless there are quite a lot of (incompatbile) changes...
Regards,
Hello Hans-Joerg
On 07/01/2005, you wrote:
Christophe Ochal wrote:
This could be a problem, what's the situation with AOS4 & fork()?
It's a no-go I'm afraid. It can never work on AmigaOS unless there are quite a lot of (incompatbile) changes...
What are the possible work-arrounds?
Regards
Christophe Ochal wrote:
What are the possible work-arrounds?
Sometimes you can work around it, but for sometimes this is not possible, and you have to essentially rewrite lots of code.
Regards,
On 2005-01-07, Christophe Ochal wrote:
<SNIP>
This could be a problem, what's the situation with AOS4 & fork()?
It's a no-go I'm afraid. It can never work on AmigaOS unless there are quite a lot of (incompatbile) changes...
What are the possible work-arrounds?
Basically there are three uses of fork() which can be worked around in a reasonable way.
The first is the (in)famous fork()+exec() example where the only real use of fork is to start a new process.
The second is when fork() is used to detach from a shell (this can just be removed without any serious loss).
The third is when fork() is used for a worker function and the parent process has little or no state which is relevant for the child. This could e.g. be in a simple webserver.
In almost all other cases, major surgery will be needed and putting a program under the knife to remove a fork() is more than a spoonfull of work.
-Peter aka. Archprogrammer
Reality is for people who cannot face ScienceFiction. Only lefthanded people are in their right minds.
Hans-Joerg Frieden wrote:
Ochal Christophe wrote:
I thought we had OpenSSH already?
Not on OS 4, at least not that I know of. Work on AmiSSL is underway, but unknown when this will be ready.
If we stick with CVS we'd need a CVS server setup, Orgin can take care of that i guess, but i'd rather do SVN first, most of us are new to porting large scale projects and i do think porting SVN would be a good excersise, not only for coding but also for the teamwork.
That is true.
In any case, there needs to be some research done before coding on OpenOffice can commence, like e.g. finding out how stable the OO.org 2.0 codebase (especially the platform layer) is.
From what I can gather, not very. The only place you can get the source is CVS, and this hardly ever even compiles. Not a very good place to start a port.
(damn this backlog :-) )
About SVN needing neon needing openssh, openoffice.org also seems to need neon, and I'm PRETTY certain CVS over SSH needs SSH just as much as SVN over SSL would. And to be quite frank, I don't see THAT much point in running this over SSL.
But that really isn't the question for now :-P
Ole-Egil Hvitmyren wrote:
[...]
About SVN needing neon needing openssh, openoffice.org also seems to need neon, and I'm PRETTY certain CVS over SSH needs SSH just as much as SVN over SSL would. And to be quite frank, I don't see THAT much point in running this over SSL.
If I remember correctly does the Amiga version of CVS not use OpenSSH for implementing SSH - http://amcvs.light-speed.de/
[...]
Ole-Egil Hvitmyren wrote:
About SVN needing neon needing openssh, openoffice.org also seems to need neon, and I'm PRETTY certain CVS over SSH needs SSH just as much as SVN over SSL would. And to be quite frank, I don't see THAT much point in running this over SSL.
Olaf's CVS port supports SSH "natively", i.e. without any external programs or OpenSSH.
Regards,
Hans-Joerg Frieden wrote:
Ole-Egil Hvitmyren wrote:
About SVN needing neon needing openssh, openoffice.org also seems to need neon, and I'm PRETTY certain CVS over SSH needs SSH just as much as SVN over SSL would. And to be quite frank, I don't see THAT much point in running this over SSL.
Olaf's CVS port supports SSH "natively", i.e. without any external programs or OpenSSH.
Still, I don't think we need SSL. :-P I must have repeated that something like 10 times by now.
Hi,
Ole-Egil Hvitmyren wrote:
Olaf's CVS port supports SSH "natively", i.e. without any external programs or OpenSSH.
Still, I don't think we need SSL. :-P
Considering it's an open source project, I think it's probably safe to say that we don't need SSL.
Regards,
Hi,
Henning Nielsen Lund wrote:
I'm not sure if it's necessary, but AFAIK SVN uses the Apache Portable Runtime. Ok, it shouldn't be too hard to port this, and the thing itself can be used for other very nice things (like, uh, Apache), but it definitely adds to the workload...
Does the client also depend on this runtime?
Yes - http://subversion.tigris.org/project_faq.html#portability
I had a look at the APR since we also thought about switching OS4 development to Subversion at one point. It shouldn't be too much of a problem, since it really only implements some basic stuff like thread abstraction, file I/O, locks, etc... It also has some alien concepts like named memory objects, but that's not a problem either... No bloody fork, luckily...
And a nice "side effect" is the possibility of apache2....
Regards,
Ochal Christophe wrote:
Hi all,
I think we should start with porting SVN to AOS (3.x & 4 if possible), not only because it looks better then CVS, but also because we have an SVN server (Olegil's machine) and it would be a good test & help us gain experiance as a team.
I really would like to see a svn client for AOS, but wegster made some good points pro CVS, look here: http://amigadev.amigaworld.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&am...
Markus Weiss wrote:
I really would like to see a svn client for AOS, but wegster made some good points pro CVS, look here: http://amigadev.amigaworld.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&am...
I have to agree, and plainly, this discussion isn't leading anywhere. Personally, I think we should go with what we have instead of loading our plates with additional work that is not required. Sure, subversion would be a nice to-have, but it introduces a set of additional dependencies that we might or might not fullfill right now (I am still waiting for someone to propose using Perforce or VSS ;-)
So my vote goes to CVS.
Regards,
Hi,
Markus Weiss wrote:
I really would like to see a svn client for AOS, but wegster made some good points pro CVS, look here: http://amigadev.amigaworld.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&am...
The pure fact that CVS _is_ available for OS4 alone should be enough reason.
Let's vote. My vote goes to CVS.
Regards,
How about Perforce or VSS. There now Hans-Joerg's mind can be set to rest ;-), it is done.
My vote goes to CVS too for all reasons mentionned so far ;-).
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Hi,
Markus Weiss wrote:
I really would like to see a svn client for AOS, but wegster made some good points pro CVS, look here: http://amigadev.amigaworld.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&am...
The pure fact that CVS _is_ available for OS4 alone should be enough reason.
Let's vote. My vote goes to CVS.
Regards,
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Thomas Frieden wrote:
Hi,
Markus Weiss wrote:
I really would like to see a svn client for AOS, but wegster made some good points pro CVS, look here: http://amigadev.amigaworld.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&am...
The pure fact that CVS _is_ available for OS4 alone should be enough reason.
Where ? :-)
My vote would be cvs too.
Max
Markus Weiss wrote:
Ochal Christophe wrote:
Hi all,
I think we should start with porting SVN to AOS (3.x & 4 if possible), not only because it looks better then CVS, but also because we have an SVN server (Olegil's machine) and it would be a good test & help us gain experiance as a team.
I really would like to see a svn client for AOS, but wegster made some good points pro CVS, look here: http://amigadev.amigaworld.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&am...
If now cvs seems to be the prefered way, we could host the project at sourceforge. There we get cvs, bugtracking, webpspace and all the stuff needed now and later.
Hello Max
Max Larsson wrote at 08.01.2005 08:55:23:
Markus Weiss wrote:
Ochal Christophe wrote:
Hi all,
I think we should start with porting SVN to AOS (3.x & 4 if possible), not only because it looks better then CVS, but also because we have an SVN server (Olegil's machine) and it would be a good test & help us gain experiance as a team.
I really would like to see a svn client for AOS, but wegster made some good points pro CVS, look here:
http://amigadev.amigaworld.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&am...
If now cvs seems to be the prefered way, we could host the project at sourceforge. There we get cvs, bugtracking, webpspace and all the stuff needed now and later.
I agree on that.
However we must keep in mind that sourceforge also plans to switch to SVN sooner or later.
Regards,
Hello,
On 7/1/05 7:22 pm, "Markus Weiss" mweiss@id-architekten.de wrote:
Ochal Christophe wrote:
Hi all,
I think we should start with porting SVN to AOS (3.x & 4 if possible), not only because it looks better then CVS, but also because we have an SVN server (Olegil's machine) and it would be a good test & help us gain experiance as a team.
I really would like to see a svn client for AOS, but wegster made some good points pro CVS, look here: http://amigadev.amigaworld.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&am...
Does anyone else see having a mailing list and a forum as a potential problem? It seems too easy to be able to miss part of a discussion if you have to keep up with both. It also seems silly to have to expend more effort just to keep up with discussions.
The CVS/SVN issue seems to prove this. It also shows that the FIRST THING we should really do is get organised. Otherwise we're not even going to get basic decisions made. I suggest that we drop all else and concentrate on that first, then we'll be in a better position to restart these discussions.
Hi Andy,
On 8/01/2005, you wrote:
[...]
The CVS/SVN issue seems to prove this. It also shows that the FIRST THING we should really do is get organised. Otherwise we're not even going to get basic decisions made. I suggest that we drop all else and concentrate on that first, then we'll be in a better position to restart these discussions.
It is all too easy to become bogged down in endless discussions like those we read on public forums. People trying to persuade others of their beliefs repeat the same arguments over and over again. This fate has befallen every "open" group that I have ever joined, with one exception.
The problem is always the same - no one is in charge, no one makes decisions, no one has authority. The one successful group that I can think of has one person who is in overall charge and all others bow to his authority.
I believe that we ought to have a "management committee" that makes the decisions about questions like version control, how we are going to proceed from any given point, etc. This committee would be small (say three members), and their decision would rule. If anyone wants to join the group, (s)he has to accept the rulings handed down by the Committee.
I propose that we have three people, each with expertise in one of the three key areas of Linux, AmigaOS and resource management. These three would jointly decide (after public discussion if necessary) questions that need to be resolved. I would expect the Committee to apportion work to sub-groups and to collate the whole. If the Committee members need to be replaced/refurbished, etc, then it would be up to the other "normal" members to approve a replacement. It would be expected that any committee member who makes him/herself unpopular or useless would be expected to stand down on request of a majority of the members.
Now I can think of several people who might fill the roles I have mentioned above, but I should like to hear others' ideas. If other people agree with my proposal, the right people for the Committee might become obvious.
cheers tony
Hello Tony
On 08/01/2005, you wrote:
Hi Andy,
On 8/01/2005, you wrote:
[...]
The CVS/SVN issue seems to prove this. It also shows that the FIRST THING we should really do is get organised. Otherwise we're not even going to get basic decisions made. I suggest that we drop all else and concentrate on that first, then we'll be in a better position to restart these discussions.
It is all too easy to become bogged down in endless discussions like those we read on public forums. People trying to persuade others of their beliefs repeat the same arguments over and over again. This fate has befallen every "open" group that I have ever joined, with one exception.
The problem is always the same - no one is in charge, no one makes decisions, no one has authority. The one successful group that I can think of has one person who is in overall charge and all others bow to his authority.
I believe that we ought to have a "management committee" that makes the decisions about questions like version control, how we are going to proceed from any given point, etc. This committee would be small (say three members), and their decision would rule. If anyone wants to join the group, (s)he has to accept the rulings handed down by the Committee.
I propose that we have three people, each with expertise in one of the three key areas of Linux, AmigaOS and resource management. These three would jointly decide (after public discussion if necessary) questions that need to be resolved. I would expect the Committee to apportion work to sub-groups and to collate the whole. If the Committee members need to be replaced/refurbished, etc, then it would be up to the other
"normal"
members to approve a replacement. It would be expected that any committee member who makes him/herself unpopular or useless would be expected to stand down on request of a majority of the members.
Now I can think of several people who might fill the roles I have mentioned above, but I should like to hear others' ideas. If other people agree with my proposal, the right people for the Committee might become obvious.
I have to agree with you, this seems the best possible step we can take at this time.
Regards
Hello Andy
On 08/01/2005, you wrote:
Hello,
On 7/1/05 7:22 pm, "Markus Weiss" mweiss@id-architekten.de wrote:
Ochal Christophe wrote:
Hi all,
I think we should start with porting SVN to AOS (3.x & 4 if possible), not only because it looks better then CVS, but also because we have an SVN server (Olegil's machine) and it would be a good test & help us gain experiance as a team.
I really would like to see a svn client for AOS, but wegster made some good points pro CVS, look here:
http://amigadev.amigaworld.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&am...
Does anyone else see having a mailing list and a forum as a potential problem? It seems too easy to be able to miss part of a discussion if you have to keep up with both. It also seems silly to have to expend more effort just to keep up with discussions.
The CVS/SVN issue seems to prove this. It also shows that the FIRST THING we should really do is get organised. Otherwise we're not even going to get basic decisions made. I suggest that we drop all else and concentrate on that first, then we'll be in a better position to restart these discussions.
Agreed.
We need to discuss this first & for all.
Regards
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 09:12:16 +0000, Andy Hall uncharted@ntlworld.com wrote:
Does anyone else see having a mailing list and a forum as a potential problem? It seems too easy to be able to miss part of a discussion if you have to keep up with both. It also seems silly to have to expend more effort just to keep up with discussions.
The CVS/SVN issue seems to prove this. It also shows that the FIRST THING we should really do is get organised. Otherwise we're not even going to get basic decisions made. I suggest that we drop all else and concentrate on that first, then we'll be in a better position to restart these discussions.
Agreed. First thing needs to be a basic organizational structure. Hoping between two or three places to get information doesn't help, it just creates confusion.
Hello Markus
On 07/01/2005, you wrote:
Ochal Christophe wrote:
Hi all,
I think we should start with porting SVN to AOS (3.x & 4 if possible), not only because it looks better then CVS, but also because we have an SVN server (Olegil's machine) and it would be a good test & help us gain experiance as a team.
I really would like to see a svn client for AOS, but wegster made some good points pro CVS, look here: http://amigadev.amigaworld.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&am...
I know, but wether we use CVS or SVN isn't a final disision yet, right now all we're doing is talking, and attempt to port SVN as a test project, if we can't even pull that one off, i think it's safe to assume OOo would be a failure aswell.
Once we get somewhere & actually get organised in a decent matter i will revisit the CVS/SVN situation & we can take a final disision then.
Regards
Hi,
Christophe Ochal wrote:
Hello Markus
I know, but wether we use CVS or SVN isn't a final disision yet,
right now
all we're doing is talking, and attempt to port SVN as a test project, if we can't even pull that one off, i think it's safe to assume OOo
would be a
failure aswell.
Once we get somewhere & actually get organised in a decent matter i will revisit the CVS/SVN situation & we can take a final disision then.
Regards
I did not want to force a decision here, just point to arguments and it's good things have slowed down a bit and people started thinking.
Actually, I don't care much about the source control system used but its important to know there has to be a decision about it at a certain point. There will be more of them to be made by what ever entity we choose to make them.
cu, Markus
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